A Fundamental Question

Originally posted by Muttley@Aug 23 2006, 02:33 PM
I beg to disagree, PDJ - Aldaniti has been pursued across this board because of her views.
If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
 
A girl who was in my class died of a massive heart attack the other day at the age of 36 leaving her parents with a downes syndrome child.Thats a tragedy not Soapy Wotsits pulling up lame or Barbaro being in a sling.


I totally agree, Luke.
 
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Now that's a tragedy.
 
I should probably mention that I have owned shares in 4 racehorses, 3 of whom have for one reason or another have shuffled off this mortal coil. Each event made me incredibly sad. I discussed these feelings with those closest to me, and then moved on.

What I chose not to do was to stop at every pub and petrol station on the way home from the course/yards and expect people to lay down their day before me with pity. I also did not expect strangers, 6 degrees removed from the horses to publicly express their grief. And up until today at least, in the belief that horses do not have souls, I never wished them to RIP, nor say a prayer for them. But I am perfectly OK with those who wish to do so. I just wish I wouldn't be judged so harshly for thinking otherwise.

I am perfectly willing to be convinced that I am an unfeeling, cold hearted b*stard and that my inability to share the levels of grief unseen since the death of Lady Di is a serious deficiency in my set up as a human being. Please convince me.
 
Ac , what planet are you on?
and that my inability to share the levels of grief unseen since the death of Lady Di is a serious deficiency in my set up as a human being.


What is your problem with the posting of the horses name that has died and maybe the odd photo? After all that is all the equine thread is about, I can see none of this level of grief that you and a few others speak of.
It is not you that needs convincing.
 
I knew that was going to come up.
That forumite was me and just for the record Bar, I was flooded in pms saying I should take flowers to the course after I had asked if I should.

It seems strange to me that is is totally out of order to feel bad about the death of ANY racehorse, but it's OK to drown your sorrows when your bets go down the drain.
 
Ladies, as we all probably know, and as you can see from some of the responses on here, in general, the fairer sex is thankfully the more sentimental where racehorses are concerned injured and those killed in action. We can't expect some men to even begin to understand why some of us care, we just do.

Thank God for men like Irish Stamp and Colin Phillips on this forum, who genuinely appears to love all aspects of the sport. We don't expect everyone to care, some just do, and others clearly don't. Unfortunately, some individuals think it is pretty funny just to harass those that show compassion, or just make pathetic comments for a cheap shot at a laugh.

In all walks of life, I am sure we meet the types of male we meet on here. I would implore you to continue posting on the RIP thread or any other thread you want to and not be bullied away by certain male individuals who have their right not to share the grief in losing horses, the same way as we do and they also have their right to find the RIP thread quite tiresome at times.

Helen (Aldiniti) has had a pretty crap time of it lately, and when you have a forum like this where you could enjoy discussing racing, and you receive the type of stupid remarks she often does, I can understand why she might want to leave.

This place, for many people, is a place to get away from their "real" lives, and to meet new people, and hopefully, make new friends and to read and learn about different aspects of the sport we love. Perhaps some of you should bear that in mind when you start typing another "FFs" comment, just because it is subject matter for which you are totally disinterested. <_<
 
But Aldaniti doesn't discuss racing. She only deals with the dead and dying.

I am not uninterested in horse fatalities but hand wringing is just too much.
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Aug 23 2006, 05:05 PM
But Aldaniti doesn't discuss racing. She only deals with the dead and dying.

I am not uninterested in horse fatalities but hand wringing is just too much.
Sorry, does it say in the Terms and Conditions of this site, that you must be able to discuss a certain number of topics before you are allowed to post? :blink:

Paul, you may have a healthy interest in cricket that some may find bizarre, but I don't see anyone ganging up on you and creating everytime you post on your
chosen subject.

Isn't this a public racing forum for anyone to post about any subject, within certain guidelines? I am yet to understand why an equine RIP thread causes some of you so much angst.
 
Originally posted by Diminuendo@Aug 23 2006, 05:50 PM
I knew that was going to come up.
That forumite was me and just for the record Bar, I was flooded in pms saying I should take flowers to the course after I had asked if I should.

It seems strange to me that is is totally out of order to feel bad about the death of ANY racehorse, but it's OK to drown your sorrows when your bets go down the drain.
Here!!! Here ...Dim; I would definitely agree with your synopsis and what you done, as the horse in question was an equine star and loved by a lot of people world wide and those on here too.

I really cant see it a problem if someone on here wants to post about horses injuries and their passing,(It is after all Called TALKING HORSES you know) we all have favourite horses? I love this sport of horse racing all four codes! I do have a bet too, but I do have feelings for other people’s animals as well.

My advice to the knockers would be, if you think this is wrong for some on here to feel for these horses, well! Just read the thread and don’t pass comment, simplicity in its self...

Everyone one on here can post an opinion, if you fail to agree with it! Well that’s tough, but just pass on the subject if you think it as being offensive or not to your liking in any way whatsoever, it’s really that easy folks..........
 
Oh how we have lost so many cricket players over the years. Its a disgrace that so many make centuries[ in years not runs ].


Er not quite the same thing is it PDJ?
 
You are onto a losing battle with PDJ, Diminuendo.

I think us ladies have managed to get our point across perfectly on here, so can we just reiterate that ANYONE who wants to post on the Equine RIP thread, please continue to do so and with added gusto and just treat those that want to disrupt the thread, or come out with some childish remark are just ignored.

By the way ladies, I do sometimes wonder (as you do) if there is a connection between the equine RIP thread and some men struggling to come to terms with certain emotions which makes them react in a strange way.

Perhaps, that's subject matter for another time and probably another forum. :blink:
 
I have noticed over the years on different forums that when people delare that they are leaving, they are just inviting others to plead with them to stay, that they will be sadly missed blah blah blah and have little intention of actually leaving.

Someone who is peed off would just leave without ceremony.

A guy on another forum I visit said this week, " I am going this time and I really mean it "

Anyone who can get upset enough on an internet forum to the the extent of leaving is IMHO very immature.
 
Do atheists have souls? Agnostics? Animists? They don't think they do, or need to think they do. The notion of having a soul is believed by certainly the Big Three religions. I don't know the Buddhist, Taoist, Sikhist, Hindu stance on the condition of souls. So we have a soul if our belief says we have a soul.

Spiritualists believe we leave our physical bodies and live on in some sort of harmonic (as in wavelength, not Billy Shand and His Band) energy, contacting the living through those able to tune into their wavelengths. Though using the wavelength of the TV or the phone instead of making their beloved pay £35 a pop would be a darn sight more sensible. (Maybe intelligence doesn't go with the flight of the soul or spirit.)

I would've settled for 'Dead Horses' rather than RIP - I think 'RIP' is a bizarre term, implying that the dead lived their lives in turmoil and unrest, and that it's only by being dead that they'll find peace. And 'rest'? :brows: What, are they just snoozing a bit down there, and likely to spring alert from their tombs, yawning, stretching, and saying, "By golly, I needed that!" years from their interment?

I don't know why a log of dead horses - for that is what it is, apart from trying to discuss the reason for the mass demise of some at 'festivals' (not for them it wasn't!) - causes so much angst. There are any number of topics of absolutely NO interest to me at all, which I can swerve without making remark.

I don't see the problem with adoring horses (or any other animal, including the human species) and even sentimentalizing about them PROVIDED you recognise that one day they'll all die. Every human death is surely NOT a tragedy, is it? Surely the world isn't populated with billions of tragedies-in-waiting JUST BECAUSE we're humans? We're born, we live a bit, we die. Same for every sentient creature.

Whether we have a soul/spirit after death is largely a matter of wanting to will ourselves, and others, to have one. I'm not sure what the purpose of having this soul is, though, since the billions of humans past don't seem, en bloc and with soul, to be doing much to better the lot of the humans extant, do they? And why wait until you're dead, and no use to man nor beast, to find your soul? Why not put a bit of soul into your life now, rather than wait for the Grim Reaper to cut you down?

If there is a purpose to believing humans have souls, it's surely for the comfort of the bereaved living, since many of us want NOT to accept that this is all there is. So, joining an angelic version of the Mothers' Union, crossing over Jordan, getting reincarnated into a Nobel Prize-winning scientist next time round, or playing merry hell with someone's ouija board - you can hope for any of that, or you can decide it's been quite enough like hard work on Earth, thank you, without running the bleedin' Christmas Raffle up among the harps and wings!
 
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