Barney Curley

Irish Stamp is spot on. Fallon and Carberry have a history of controversy related to drinking, so when Carberry failed a breathaliser it's bound to be newsworthy.
 
Irish Stamp said:
Fallon and Carberry both have a track record of controversy - Hills (nor Mick Darcy who failed a drink test earlier this month) have the same track record.
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in which case its just the norm for them so why bother reporting it?..i would have thought someone who is whiter than white would make a bigger story surely?
 
LUKE said:
EC1-where did you read about Mhilu being sold for 800 -seems very cheap.
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it was in the RP I believe Luke -

this scenario was mentioned before the race though on Betfair as well..someone outlined the story and said race was dodgy-in fact it made having a bet on the winner all the more obvious - even though i didn't:)

here is an idea....not saying anyone would do it of course:)......... - agree to sell someone you know a horse for way below its value just to make it look like its no longer any good - then target a lowly race with a supposed downturned horse

that would just be another indication to anyone who looks at racing from the outside to view it as a shady sport though..no one one in racing would do that would they?
 
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A few years ago I walked the course at Aintree with a retired bookmaker -he told me a story about a selling hurdle in England-possibly Newton Abbot on a bank holiday monday in the 70's.
To cut a long story short one of today's household name punters made an absolute killing and the result was never in doubt-it resulted in a medium sized Irish bookmaker going out of business.
 
think there were a few Bank Holiday coups in those days - there were so many meetings with no coverage you could hide a multitude of sins on those days
 
it said paint had started to run down horse's legs when in winners enclosure :blink:- would love to have witnessed it

just imagining it on C4 racing with Thommo patting it after the race- paint all over his hands :)..whoaa big painty fellow
 
Can't stand the man but it's ridiculous that the firms aren't paying out!

If the BHA bothered to do something about the blatant skullduggery then fair enough but they haven't.
 
Aragorn said:
What skullduggery?
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yes indeed..what has he done wrong..when we know that..maybe we could get all the other purveyors of skullduggery together..should leave a handful of trainers left.

personal dislike of a man should never come into this..nor should jealousy..lets be fair..if BC is bent..then so are 90% of other trainers

maybe the games a disgrace generally eh..but its easier to demonise the unpopular to carry the can for all the good old..bent eggs.
 
Gamla Stan said:
Can't stand the man but it's ridiculous that the firms aren't paying out!

If the BHA bothered to do something about the blatant skullduggery then fair enough but they haven't.
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you making me laugh here Stan..you just backed a non runner that some could say was always going to be a non runner..if they demonised AOB in same way that BC gets ripped to f***.....and didn't mind at all.....but any runner BC sends out is ..bent..skulllduggery involved

you are very biased you know..the whole game is bent..stop blaming it on the few you personally dislike..its the nature of the game...we will have BC as devil incarnate in a bit..when in fact he just plays the racing game better than most others..so you are crticising him for being good at ..racing...as it stands.
 
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Gamla Stan said:
So Agapanthus ran on it's merits on it's 6 runs prior to winning at Brighton?
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can you prove it didn't?..its all guesswork..expecially when a horse has been off a long while..oh i found a problem with the horse and put it right..you can't argue with that..he plays the game..its not his fault they allow his type of game playing...its bent old racing..we all know that..its part of what it is..and its why other punters won't come near racing with a bargepole..prefer poker etc.

most of those that won other week hadn't run for a while..is every trainer a cheat that wins with a horse after a long while off?

you are very selective in which type of fiddling and fiddlers you highlight..why does it have to based on like or dislike of the man?..which yours clearly is.....is a loveable rogue cheat any different from an evil demon cheat?

I read arguments on here and elsewhere..re owners..well i pay the bills..so any insider trading knowledge..its mine..why should i share it with anyone?..thats my perk of being an owner

that attitude is widely supported..but in its way its cheating..because insider trading is cheating..that sort of attitude brings in nil people to the sport..but its not owners fault they they have that attitude..its racing..pure and simple..but don't ever thiink its attractive to the outside world..cos it isn't...and to the layman..what BC does is no different than others who withhold information....which the nature of racing allows them to do..all BC has done is know they are going to win..unlike other trainers who aren't as good at it fail more times than he does. Its because he pulls it off so many times that jealousy of his methods creeps in.

Racing is basically a cheats paradise isn't it?..with a cliquey world within it..within that clique its acceptable to cheat..as long as you are in with the in crowd....being a lone soldier like BC doesn't fit in with that crowd..so is looked down on.

look at the attituide when henderson got done for cheating..ooh its such a shame..what a nice cheat..aaaar doesn't seem right..aarrr nice man...there are still people feeling sorry for Bradley..a blatant example of cronyism that is within racing..Carson trying to warn him on that Panorama..disgusting sight that was

had it been Curley not henderson..there would be some would have had gallows set up.
 
I agree with you EC1. I would add that the idea that you will ever have every horse running on it's merits or fit enough to run to it's best or indeed trying it's best every time it runs is laughable to me. The handicap system sees to that surely?
 
EC1 said:
most of those that won other week hadn't run for a while..is every trainer a cheat that wins with a horse after a long while off?
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No but most trainers don't run four horses on a day which haven't been sighted with a telescope in their last few runs and pop them all in multiple bets and back them into oblivion.

Sure plenty of trainers use questionable handicapping methods and I'd happily criticise them all and have done.

The "owner pays the bills so is entitled to inside info" line is such bollocks. In no other sport would you get away with that mentality.
 
Gamla Stan said:
No but most trainers don't run four horses on a day which haven't been sighted with a telescope in their last few runs and pop them all in multiple bets and back them into oblivion.

Sure plenty of trainers use questionable handicapping methods and I'd happily criticise them all and have done.

The "owner pays the bills so is entitled to inside info" line is such bollocks. In no other sport would you get away with that mentality.
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Stan

I know BC was taking the pee that day..i think we all know that..but the system as it stands is open to that isn't it?

He didn't do anything clever..i'm not condoning anything..but the whole game is open to this..he is a master expoiter thats all.
 
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