Betfair Chase

Lol. Just stating son. I haven't got a clue who will win as too many variables re: later season but what a race.

I will back BW for the fun but mainly on loyalty.
 
It's looking like a no bet race for me although if the ground looks genuinely good I may have a smallish bet on Cue Card.
 
No bet for me

Bobs worth the most likely winner.


Amazing Dynaste is 6/1 and Roí du mee 22/1


Cue card doubtful stayer but has a good chance if he does.


Good race
 
Euronymous said:
It's looking like a no bet race for me although if the ground looks genuinely good I may have a smallish bet on Cue Card.
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it's soft. which probably explains the drift this morning.

gone with bobs worth to win at 5/2 & also long run to place at 9/4.
 
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Bobs Worth got behind in the Gold Cup because he was "struggling on the rain-softened surface" (BG's quote), and sheer class and stamina enabled him to get back into the race. He had no such problem on better ground in the RSA, travelling like a dream throughout and putting the race to bed without being asked a serious question.
Make no mistake; this is a proper horse, with half-a-stone or more in hand of his rivals, as near his ideal conditions as he's likely to get until next March, and 5/2 will have all the appearance of finding money in the street by tomorrow evening.
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Yep. In a nutshell really. I was a slight doubter before the gc but not afterwards.
 
Firstly the ground has to be taken on trust of the going stick ..the times yesterday don't suggest very slow conditions but being as its Haydock..they probably ran those races a furlong less than advertised..the whole carry on at haydock is an absolute disgrace with the way they keep swapping and changing..its time they were made to give set configurations and all distances were checked to be correct...a laughable carry on imo.

I really don't fancy Bobsworth. Just visually ..he needs a stern test before he becomes a tough opponent..and an uphill finish at 3m1f would bring that into play. The level track here doesn't encourage horses to go tire enough in front of him... and he needs that to show his very best. I can see him placing but not winning.

Long Run & Tidal Bay are also not likely to get the test the need on this flat track..don't fancy them at all.

Cue Card is a horse i backed in the KG..i'll never back him again at 3m+.

Silviniacco Conti was my bet in the GC and i get the feeling that he still wouldn't have won that race..this test today is going to suit him more than than any of the 3 above. His price is probably the worst value i've seen for a while though..i'd rather just watch than back him at just over 3/1.

I think today we'll see how good Dynaste is..his only defeats have been on stiff tracks..thats why he comes here instead of running in the Paddy Power imo.

so its Dynaste for me.
 
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God only knows why, but the ground at Haydock seems to have deteriorated markedly since yesterday (going stick: Chase course Friday 6.5, Saturday 5.2)? :(
Might be worth waiting for the 1.15, and - if it's run in anywhere near 7m.20s - going in on Bobs Worth all guns blazing. Significantly worse ground would put Tidal Bay right in the picture.
 
10/1, was 11/1 for Bobsworth to win today and the GC, thought that was a fair bet for an interest.
 
Grasshopper said:
Double-figure price is fair-enough to find out if Cue Card gets the trip.
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you should already know he doesn't;)

if value is the only reason to back a horse..then you would be better of backing LR at the prices..that one does stay..and has an excuse for lto

one problem with LR is he isn't good enough even if running to his best if some of these do run to their ratings

CC would have won at 3m by now in his career if he ever was going to
 
EC1 said:
you should already know he doesn't;)

CC would have won at 3m by now in his career if he ever was going to
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Don't agree.

The King George run was inconclusive, and it's perfectly legit for them to have another crack at the trip.

Will he stay? I'm not confident, but will play at 10/1 to find out, as the horse is all class.
 
Grasshopper said:
Don't agree.

The King George run was inconclusive, and it's perfectly legit for them to have another crack at the trip.

Will he stay? I'm not confident, but will play at 10/1 to find out, as the horse is all class.
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his chance of staying is very slim...in this game you don't keep a horse away from a distance where so much prestige and money is available for no reason. we had teh same discussion many times about Riverside theatre..he doesn't stay either and you can see it clearly just by looking at how he was campaigned..same with CC. He's too good at shorter..they just shooting at the moon at this trip..I don't blame them..but you as a punter might as well throw money down nearest drain actually backing him...imo.
 
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Don't agree. He might be a One Man or like Granger said Florida Pearl who will never win a Gold Cup but a race like today or a King George is possible. Last year at Kempton was inconclusive so it's worth another dabble. That said with the ground on the soft side he probably would have been better off in the Amlin.

Also, you could have given similar arguments against Kauto Star before his first Betfair given that before that renewal he'd won a Haldon Gold Cup and a Tingle Creek and fallen in a QM.
 
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personally I think Cue card will be better over 2 1/2 miles but it is quite interesting they are running here when they would have had the chance to run a much easier race at Ascot today and if wanting to try 3 miles also run in teh King George that would be easier race than todays one.
 
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Euronymous said:
Don't agree. He might be a One Man or like Granger said Florida Pearl who will never win a Gold Cup but a race like today or a King George is possible. Last year at Kempton was inconclusive so it's worth another dabble. That said with the ground on the soft side he probably would have been better off in the Amlin.

Also, you could have given similar arguments against Kauto Star before his first Betfair given that before that renewal he'd won a Haldon Gold Cup and a Tingle Creek and fallen in a QM.
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picking 3 top horses out of loads don't make him worth backing at this trip imo...just looking at KS..he had 6 runs in this country before he went over 3 miles..and won. CC has already had 11 chase runs..tried 3 mile once and was beaten..i don't really care about the excuses...the KG that year was his for the taking with what was in it..this is harder than that KG
 
EC1 said:
picking 3 top horses out of loads don't make him worth backing at this trip imo...just looking at KS..he had 6 runs in this country before he went over 3 miles..and won. CC has already had 11 chase runs..tried 3 mile once and was beaten..i don't really care about the excuses...the KG that year was his for the taking with what was in it..this is harder than that KG
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To be fair, I have a lot of sympathy with this view, though CC basically jumped himself out of contention early in the KG, and possibly wasn't helped by the ground conditions either.

That said, a horse of his class has to be given another chance - especially at 10/1. He is easily the second-best animal in this field.
 
it depends what you mean by second best..at this trip he isn't

its like saying Bolt is easily the best runner when assessing him in an 800 metre race
 
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EC1 said:
it depends what you mean by second best..at this trip he isn't

its like saying Bolt is easily the best runner when assessing him in an 800 metre race
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You can't say that conclusively, imo........not yet, anyway. :cool:
 
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