Betting On The New Pope

IMO the main problem with the election of a new Pope is that they do not get elected for a fixed term. You don't want to give the job to someone too young, because if they are making a mess of it, they could do a lot of damage in fifty years. So you have to pick some old codger who won't last too long. Priests, as a generalisation, live lives which are somewhat different to the rest of the population. Old people, as a generalisation, find it hard to appreciate modern living. When you get an old person who is a priest you risk getting someone totally out of touch.

The last Pope did not fall into these generalisations, yet he still shouldn't have held such a powerful position for the last decade.
 
Melendez.b
I don't think that they live by our values,rather those of the Bible.

Nobody is perfect and therefore one lives as close to the guide lines as possible (no matter what relegion) for them.

The leaders lay down the ideology and it will never change at the very top.

It is up to the lower end to preach with compassion and uderstanding,without straying to far.
 
Originally posted by an capall@Apr 19 2005, 09:40 PM
The behaviour of Ardross on this thread and the aggressive editing of views pointing out some inconsistencies in his argument makes me glad I've semi retired from here. I used to think it misguided, now I believe its just megalomania. I invite other moderators or people he may listen to that unlike the Pope, he is not infallible.

James, please, in good faith & from a long standing stakeholder - please stop the Daylightisation of this forum before it's too late. Take some time off.
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Well AN if you read my posts (I have kept them 4 I think) you will have an even worse impression of the so called editing for personal abuse my first one was to endorse the post TERRY put on here with a quote of his and the words I AGREE nothing more and it was deleted honest.....

AN I further agree that through this moderators actions a lot of people have left this forum by choice not through any bans etc.....

When he goes on leave there are never any problems that one can't resolve our selves but keeping him at the helm is causing most of the problems on here .............

So yes AN I'LL further endorse your post too which is in your quote above...............

I further think DAYLIGHT as put in a bid for him and the stakeholders will let him go for a far lesser fee than offered..................

and in my case a NOT GUILTY MY LORD of any personal abuse ..................

opposition and my opinion!!! to the thread and his personal views on here regards interpretation........... yes GUILTY MY LORD..............
 
Originally posted by Derek.Burgess@Apr 20 2005, 07:45 AM
A good way to make yourself look great is to EDIT your posts to remove inflammatry material.

Not very honest though.
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So he gets told by Terry he should moderate himself the way he does others. So he moderates his own post to remove something that people took exception to being posted, and then gets slagged off for doing it

Easy job isn't it
 
Not really dvds.
could all have been avoided if he had refrained from posting it in the first place.

Moderating is easy.It is a bit time consuming,but allowing contributers to post within the rules is not a difficult task.

The hard bit is avoiding the "it's my ball syndrome" and having favourites who essentially can post anything they like.
 
Originally posted by Derek.Burgess@Apr 19 2005, 05:10 PM


LAW REQUIRED ALL CHILDREN TO JOIN THE HITLER YOUTH MOVEMENT.
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That is simply NOT TRUE.
i dont know where this comes, but it is a false information. there were many young people who were not members of the hitler youth.
 
wassermusik.
well that makes me and a lot of Germans into liars.

But....
To the outside world, the Hitler Youth seemed to personify German discipline. In fact, this image was far from accurate. School teachers complained that boys and girls were so tired from attending evening meetings of the Hitler Youth, that they could barely stay awake the next day at school. Also by 1938, attendance at Hitler Youth meetings was so poor - barely 25% - that the authorities decided to tighten up attendance with the 1939 law making attendance compulsory.
 
Hitler Youth: Chronology

NAZI youth organization began in 1922. The first youth formation was the Jungsturm Adolf Hitler (Adolf Hitler Boys' Storm Troop), organized by the Sturm Abteilungen (SA) in 1922. The name was changed Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth) in 1926. The Hitler Youth were officially formed at the second Reichsparteitag (National Party Day) on July 4, 1926. The HJ was originally a strictly boys' movement. The Party decided in 1928 to also admit girls, into a separate organization that in 1930 was named the Bund Deutscher Madel (League of German Girls; BDM). Boys remained, however, the primry focus of the HJ and the bulk of the membership. Hitler in 1931 appointed Baldur von Schirach Reich Youth Leader (Reichsjugendfuhrer). Schirach set about to unite the various NAZI youth organizations under a single authority. These included, in addition to the BDM, the Schulerbund (NS--League of Nazi Students) and the Deutsches Jungvolk (German Young Folk), which inducted youngsters as young as 10 years. Schirach achieved his goal when he was appointed Jugendfuhrer des Deutschen Reiches (Youth Leader of the German Reich) in June 1933. Shortly after seizing power in 1933, Schirach organized a NAZI takeover of the German Youth Ministry and explained that the workers, except for the anti-NAZI expelled were now employed by the Hitler Youth. Most of the existing German Youth organizatons were either banned or incorporated into the Hitler Youth. The HJ by 1935 was a huge organization with over 60 percent of the country's youth participating. Most boys by 1935 had to join the Hitler Youth, although membership was not officially compulsory until 1939. In 1942, physical training became more rigorus. Many basic military skills were incorporated such as camafloge, crossing rivers, digging fox holes laying down, ect. Hitler Youth leader Aux???on Hitlers birthday in April 1944 presented him with a newly formed division--the Hitler Youth Division which played a prominent role in the Normandy fighting.
 
Somewhat strange that Hitler is dominating this thread, considering the new Pope took the name of Benjamin, who was widely remembered for being a "Peace Pope" around World War I time.
 
of course i know the laws of 1936 and 1939.
still - there were many shades of involvement of the youth - from fanatic membership to formal memberhip to no membership. - as long as you kept to yourself and did not critize the regime in public there often was no accusation nor punishment if you did not officiall underwrite to the hj, at least in the part of the Reich (a rural area in southern austria), where my parents lived. (my mother was a member of the BDM,, the girls hj-branch, my father no member whatsoever)
 
Thanks Wassermusik - very interesting . I note that the Guardian comments that Ratzinger's denial that he could not have avoided military service is not strictly truthful.

Joseph Ratzinger was not always considered a reactionary. Born in 1927 in Marktl am Inn, the first German pope for nearly 1,000 years comes from the country's traditionalist Catholic heartland, Bavaria.
His father was a police officer from a family of farmers whose career suffered because he refused to become a Nazi. The young Ratzinger served briefly and unenthusiastically with the Hitler Youth and later with a German army anti-aircraft unit guarding the BMW factory in Munich. He says he never fired a shot.

Ratzinger has defended himself from criticism of his war record by claiming - not strictly truthfully - that he could not have avoided military service in the circumstances. Others did and maybe he could have used his training in a seminary to dodge the call-up.

But there is no doubt that his heart was not in his military service and he deserted in April 1944, ending the war in an American prisoner of war camp.
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I would also say Pope John Paul, did of course apologise to the Jewish community for any wrong doing by Catholics during the Holocaust, and said standing by doing nothing to prevent what was happening was just as wrong.
 
Originally posted by Aidan@Apr 20 2005, 11:49 AM
The new Pope took the name of Benjamin
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It's actually Benedict, Aidan. You're right about the last Benedict (XV) - he issued a seven point peace plan in 1917 that was ignored by all the participants in the war, except the Austo-Hungarians who took it seriously but no one else was interested, so it died.

As a result of this election I have added to my store of trivia that St Benedict is the patron saint of Europe and has been since 1964. I wonder if he is based in Brussels alongside Grey?
 
Sorry for not sharing this news with you on Monday, when I first came across it:

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who has made no secret of his desire to become Pope, yesterday dismissed the British Sunday Times story that he had been a member of the Hitlerjugend as "a typical Protestant smear". "I was a healthy German child like any other," Cardinal Ratzinger (93) said. "I just wanted to plunge naked into the river with the other boys and sing rousing songs by night around the campfire. I had no idea at that time it would all lead to national humiliation."

Cardinal (Call me Ratzo) Ratzinger, addressing his brother cardinals, also dismissed the notion that the allegedly hard line policies of Pope John Paul's papacy had driven people away from the church. "Yes, as Mr Honecker once said about the Berlin wall, it is undeniable that some have left," he said, "but I have it on good authority that very many are now desperately trying to get back."
 
wassermusik.
my mother-in-law was not a member,but had to go and work,on a daily basis in a nazi household,she was excused because she had deformed hands and legs.She was also very lucky to escape with her life.(not physically up to standard)

By the way,did your father serve in the German Army or was he excused service,or did he hide/escape.

No abuse intended and no need to answer if you don't want to.
 
As a result of this election I have added to my store of trivia that St Benedict is the patron saint of Europe and has been since 1964. I wonder if he is based in Brussels alongside Grey?
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Honest Guv, like you the first I heard of this was yesterday. We should speak no more of Brussels edicts, but instead of Brussels benedicts.
 
I suppose that the church has kept quiiet for forty years about St Benedict's second claim to fame (after the liqueur) because of a lack of desire to join the the various "Yes/No" EU debates that have been running interminably during that period?
 
Brian.
If France has a no vote,the EU will survive,but not as we know it.

Having said that,the € is the best thing to happen in Europe for a long time.
 
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