Boylesports... whats the matter with them?

icebreaker said:
I guess the point is whilst you seem to be suggesting that Bet365 is some sort of suicidal self-crucifying bookie -- i.e. "Is anyone seriously telling me that Bet365 make money on a Saturday the way they trade their prices and offers? I doubt they make more than 2% on racing from UK and Irish punters every year", that their annual figures would suggest otherwise.
Their annual figures would suggest that they are quite possibly the most successful online bookmaker on the planet.

The rest of your post above I don't fully understand -- something about forum members with bet365 accounts filling some mythical betting shop of yours.
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They are best price every selection in Saturday races and offer extra places and free bets for 4/1+ winners. Do the maths. You can't make money with those offers long term.
 
SlimChance said:
They are best price every selection in Saturday races and offer extra places and free bets for 4/1+ winners. Do the maths. You can't make money with those offers long term.
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They pay fractionally best price on maybe 7 horses from 100+ runners, offer 1 extra place on possibly 1 or 2 big field handicaps and free bets against the double in consecutive races. For the marginal differences involved they reap loads of extra casual business, woo regular punters from rival bookmakers, and create goodwill from the beneficiaries of these offers _ not just on the day, but for weeks and months afterwards.
Maybe, they can do the maths?:)
 
reet hard said:
They pay fractionally best price on maybe 7 horses from 100+ runners, offer 1 extra place on possibly 1 or 2 big field handicaps and free bets against the double in consecutive races. For the marginal differences involved they reap loads of extra casual business, woo regular punters from rival bookmakers, and create goodwill from the beneficiaries of these offers _ not just on the day, but for weeks and months afterwards.
Maybe, they can do the maths?:)
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spot on...that point was highlighted in the TV thing about corals last night..its gaining them long term customers based on goodwill

corals invite their loyal customers to a dinner at York Racecourse..although the person they showed at that meal didn't really do it for me
 
reet hard said:
They pay fractionally best price on maybe 7 horses from 100+ runners, offer 1 extra place on possibly 1 or 2 big field handicaps and free bets against the double in consecutive races. For the marginal differences involved they reap loads of extra casual business, woo regular punters from rival bookmakers, and create goodwill from the beneficiaries of these offers _ not just on the day, but for weeks and months afterwards.
Maybe, they can do the maths?:)
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Marginally better prices? They are betting to the Betfair line. They are betting their place books completely over broke. Don't get me wrong I LOVE Bet365. Doing e/w Lucky 15s with them on a Saturday is the best bet you can have bar none.
 
its a loss leader though Slim...gaining and keeping customers is key..if that means giving at the beginning..its a long term game. Surprisingly..according to that show last night..some punters do stay loyal and it makes it worth their while long term
 
EC1 said:
spot on...that point was highlighted in the TV thing about corals last night..its gaining them long term customers based on goodwill

corals invite their loyal customers to a dinner at York Racecourse..although the person they showed at that meal didn't really do it for me
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you really would think that you must be doing something very wrong with your gambling if you are invited out by Coral
 
EC1 said:
its a loss leader though Slim...gaining and keeping customers is key..if that means giving at the beginning..its a long term game. Surprisingly..according to that show last night..some punters do stay loyal and it makes it worth their while long term
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Yes its brilliant. They are the best firm by a mile. If you have a Bet365 account do you need another?
 
did you see the guy they followed at that meal?...says it all really..he couldn't even spot the horse he backed..even though it was out on its own on the far side for the last 3f
 
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As online accounts are so easily restricted, what do the shops do to prevent someone going around all the shops in a city placing small bets (£50-£100) on the same selection. Is it allowed? Do people do it?
 
A good mate of mine does exactly that harry. Need to be careful though as some shops need to check with head office that they can take a bet and HO will check cctv to see if it's a known face


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I really do thik there is a head of steam and a groundswell of opinion starting to grow about this as more and more people come to realise the extent of bookmaker account closures and the effect it is having.
Kevin Blake, fair play to him, addressed the matter in his ATR blog two days ago.
"This isn’t just about fair play for all punters and protecting the future of horse racing, this is about the moral question of whether bookmakers can continue be allowed do as much business as they like with losing customers, but yet be allowed restrict how much business they do with winning customers".
http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?ref=redirect&hlid=556131&lid=kevin+blake+blog
 
Yes, It's so completely wrong Ice. One thing preventing change has to be the fact that people don't want to broadcast the fact that they are gamblers to the public ie. the people who need to go public are involved in something they would rather keep private?
 
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harry, they will call to check if your bet is allowed, max allowed would be much lower than 50 quid and your face will be blacklisted eventually. Listen to the podcast link above, they cover this topic as well. Its not impossible to get on, thats the point, those that do have a margin will travel and get bet placers to do the job for them, its about horse racing in general that people, normal people can't get a bet on which eventually means less and less people will become passionate about solving horse racing puzzles and at th same time less revenues goes back into racing as bookies will pay less levy. We can already see the effects of this because in the last 10-15 years(since they've fired all their odds compilers and started banning more and more horse racing bettors) betting on football has become more popular, this has been a strategy of the bookies in order to destroy horse racing as a sport. 84% of their current profit is coming from FOBTs so you can see why they prefer to keep their bookmaking license but at the same time take no bets.
 
Aughex said:
harry, they will call to check if your bet is allowed, max allowed would be much lower than 50 quid and your face will be blacklisted eventually. Listen to the podcast link above, they cover this topic as well. Its not impossible to get on, thats the point, those that do have a margin will travel and get bet placers to do the job for them, its about horse racing in general that people, normal people can't get a bet on which eventually means less and less people will become passionate about solving horse racing puzzles and at th same time less revenues goes back into racing as bookies will pay less levy. We can already see the effects of this because in the last 10-15 years(since they've fired all their odds compilers and started banning more and more horse racing bettors) betting on football has become more popular, this has been a strategy of the bookies in order to destroy horse racing as a sport. 84% of their current profit is coming from FOBTs so you can see why they prefer to keep their bookmaking license but at the same time take no bets.
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What about promotions re football eg) daily boosts that are available up until kick off that clearly states Max £50 or £100? Not horses. Could you do this in more than one shop legitimately or is that something frowned upon?
 
harry said:
As online accounts are so easily restricted, what do the shops do to prevent someone going around all the shops in a city placing small bets (£50-£100) on the same selection. Is it allowed? Do people do it?
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Of course.
 
viking said:
A good mate of mine does exactly that harry. Need to be careful though as some shops need to check with head office that they can take a bet and HO will check cctv to see if it's a known face


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Not true. No one is checking the camera for a £50 bet FFS.
 
harry said:
What about promotions re football eg) daily boosts that are available up until kick off that clearly states Max £50 or £100? Not horses. Could you do this in more than one shop legitimately or is that something frowned upon?
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Aughex is talking a lot of hysteria which is not unusual on this subject. As I work in the industry I better placed to answer your question.
 
The grey area on offers is if it says £50 max, is that per shop? If you put money £50 on in 2 shops and the bet is accepted, could they refuse to pay if they knew you have placed it twice? What if you are putting the bet on for an elderly relative who can't easily get to a shop?
 
harry said:
The grey area on offers is if it says £50 max, is that per shop? If you put money £50 on in 2 shops and the bet is accepted, could they refuse to pay if they knew you have placed it twice? What if you are putting the bet on for an elderly relative who can't easily get to a shop?
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How could they possibly police it? Its impossible. Bookmakers don't have 10,000 monkeys looking at every bet. The shop manager is more likely to flag your business as unprofitable if your only taking advantage of offers than head office.

You can make a living betting in the shops if you know what you're doing
 
"Bookmakers don't have 10,000 monkeys looking at every bet" no they have shop managers who expect bonuses based on how much their profit was, listen to the podcast for an interesting story... there are face bans and if you try to place more than 20 quid some shop managers might push that button to alert their area manager or they might simply refuse to take your bet.

As for football promotion I have no idea harry, however I do know that in horse racing the more likely you take a 5 quid free bet the more likely your account is restricted. There are many guides in concerning bookmakers restrictions that advise not to take any free offers that the bookies offer because they'll flag your account in an instance and you'll probably never be able to place a single bet with it. If you do use the promotion you'll more than likely need to roll it over 3-4 times before they allow you to withdraw and your account will still be flagged...
 
It seems that PaddyPower has, in the past 48 hours, restricted thousands of their customers from partaking in their offers and promotions. Yes, thousands, and not exaggerating.
Have you been honoured with this exclusion offer? I have received mine yesterday:
"Hi, Sewer Rat scumbag,
As part of our Terms and Conditions, Paddy Power reserve the right to exclude customers from selected promotions.
Having reviewed your account, we regret to inform you that we will no longer be offering you any free bet promotions with immediate effect.
This decision has been taken after careful consideration and will not affect your ability to bet on our Sportsbook or any other Paddy Power product".
 
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