Boylesports... whats the matter with them?

Well would you believe it

my pp account has been closed. Couple of weeks after boyle sports

ok I've had a very good run on it lately but that's not the point. The amounts are small ffs

firstly it is an absolute certainty that these bookwankers are sharing information. What a pathetic bunch they are. Do they really think someone who bets at my level is going to be a threat ? Small minded small time nobodies

As far as I am concerned it's bet fair all the way now and frankly I cannot see why anyone choose anything else.

the good news is that this shoot in foot behaviour will become common currency and punters will walk away. As in my industry, certain lenders have a bad name and whatever they do to try and change behaviour, brokers and borrowers avoid because quite frankly "you can fck off whilst I have a choice"
 
clivex said:
Well would you believe it



As far as I am concerned it's betfair all the way now and frankly I cannot see why anyone choose anything else.
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i've said that for years..there is no logical oppo to betfair imo..but what do i know.

i've seen lots of threads like this through the years..never seen one with same gripe about betfair though

i've still not seen anyone who gets large amounts on here answer my question from a page or so back either....so will ask again...can anyone here who bets in 3 ..4 and 5 figure amounts on a regular basis..explain to others here.. WHICH BOOKIES?..i've seen not one person give the name yet of a bookie that does so without closing or limiting accounts

if there is no such bookie...if not how can a punter win money over a period of time by betting with these people..whats the point of bothering with them?
 
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You are right ec. Personally I'm bemused an not in slightest bit angry. I suppose it's even a bit flattering but it's interesting that suddenly these bookies are seizing up.

I Will still keep my coral account and old tote credit account and maybe open one more but using bet fair more should do the trick

anyone recommend a bookie that isn't terrified of a punter who bets a couple of bets a week in tens and twenties?

Clearly it it frightens the life out of that big mouth prat at powers . he must have been tossing and turning all week fretting over my account.

Mind you A a tosser is exactly what he is
 
Does slim work for pp? Not a bookmakers anymore are they

does he know his future will be slepping around in a van emptying the fruit machines?
 
lets use an example

On Gigilo's thread he has put up..its a non runner now..Hawkeyethenew quoting Boylesporsts price 25/1

My question is..to someone who probably has lots of accounts..bets in thousands throughout the year...how much are they likely to let him have on at 25/1?

i doubt G will read this thread..so could someone enlighten me ... lets say that horse ran and won..the very next time G wanted a bet with them..what would be the reduction in stake they would make?..lets say they let him have 25 quid on this one..what would happen next time he wants a bet on?

it seems to me that if you are even remotely successfull..then you CANNOT win with bookies long term...as they have closed your accounts after a small amount of success..seems the way it ends.. reading this thread
 
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aye Col:)..its just seems to me bookies are there just for punters who lose..anyone who wins in any regularity is closed down...so its impossible to win long term using bookmakers is what i see on this thread..is that the case?..and if not..can someone tell me how they even get a bet on without any accounts
 
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I think the main issue here is that these two bookmakers are definitely sharing information and that is pathetic
 
EC1 the thing you're missing is that even if your account is losing they'll close you down. You took a 50 quid on a 10/1 win only and the horse starts at 7/1, they'll close your account. Plus they share info among themselves which not only pathetic but illegal.. These aren't bookmakers, they are criminals who seek vulnerable targets to mug and of course just like thieves they collaborate with each other and they know that house X has an alarm. They haven't been bookmaking for more a decade now(since they fired all their odds compilers), all they do each year is introducing more FOBTs for addicts and money laundering with the official figures showing 84% of their total profit coming only from FOBTs.
 
I understand the FOBT thing completely Aughex..it was very clearly highlighted in that 3 part documentary where Coral had two shops very close to each other just for the purpose of being able to have 8 machines in operation. The way they tried to dress up the fact that its the "only" reason they want two shops near each other i must have missed..it certainly wasn't for the number of customers in the shops as both were pretty empty..but even when they showed the shops as being near on empty..the macjines were getting used. It seems that the FOBT's make the effort they go to open shops worth their while without any other trade. To me personally..i found it absolutely disgusting..and it was the opposite of what Coral wanted to portray...not sure if they thought it good PR..personally i thought it was a PR disaster.

My question really is..why does anyone ever bet with any of them??..its seems a pointless waste of time to me...unless you like betting with people who will take your money happily..then close your account when you win.

Yes..i have missed the bit where they will close you down even if you are losing..so again i ask..why would any sane person have an account with them...thats completely baffling to me. So what you are saying is..i open an account Monday..and even if i don't win..they will just close it down say Friday. I must be missing something here..whats the point of the whole exercise from a punters point of view..its madness.

Seems to me..that if FOBT's are removed..bookies are finished with a business model that involves closing down accounts of winners and losers.

Its a bit like a supermarket opening..they let customers in..then some they let do a weeks shop..some they kick out half way through their shop..then they ban 50% of them as they walk out..and tell them not to shop there anymore. wtf type of business is that?
 
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clivex said:
anyone recommend a bookie that isn't terrified of a punter who bets a couple of bets a week in tens and twenties?
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I've been using Netbet for about 6 months like you describe and not had a problem (cue account closed email in next 10 minutes)
Pinnacle seem to have a reputation for not closing accounts very often

I've also used Skybet for a number of years without having limits or anything, however I read ages ago to have a little dabble on the casino every now and then so most times when I win a decent amount I usually stick a tenner on the slots, 10 plays at £1 a go, more often than not get at least a fiver back,. and have won a couple of hundred a few times too, no idea if thats stopped any account closure or limits but the fact I have had neither means I'll keep doing it!

You could maybe try some of the lesser known bookies, if they close you down just go elsewhere.
 
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You could maybe try some of the lesser known bookies, if they close you down just go elsewhere.
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how many elsewhere's are there would you say?

if they share info..and you are a marked man..would they not just stop you opening an account?

i'm just trying to understand all this tbh...its seems that a lot of time is spent opening accounts that seem to get closed quickly..in the main.

Isn't this a lot of effort..just to get a bet on? The answer to that will probably be..but i can better odds..but whats the point if you only get a fraction of your stake on?
 
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10bet, 188bet, 12bet, mybet, 888sports, jenningsbet, 32red, betway, winner, titanbet, pinnacle are a few just off the top of my head without searching or looking at an affiliate list or anything. Even if you got a few months out of each its almost 3 years worth there.
Yes its hassle but if your account is closed you usually bet with and you want the bet on you don't really have a choice. If you usually stick a score on each bet spread it around, one week do 4 x £5 bets with one set of bookies, the next do it with different ones.
I have about 15 bookies within walking distance so would rather just do it in store but its an otion to do it like that.
Just throwing options out thats all, no idea if it helps!
 
I'd say my turnover is 96% betfair 3% cash and 1% bet365-I would be wary of some of the smaller online bookies-there is no point winning if you don't get paid.
 
dvds2000 said:
10bet, 188bet, 12bet, mybet, 888sports, jenningsbet, 32red, betway, winner, titanbet, pinnacle are a few just off the top of my head without searching or looking at an affiliate list or anything. Even if you got a few months out of each its almost 3 years worth there.
Yes its hassle but if your account is closed you usually bet with and you want the bet on you don't really have a choice. If you usually stick a score on each bet spread it around, one week do 4 x £5 bets with one set of bookies, the next do it with different ones.
I have about 15 bookies within walking distance so would rather just do it in store but its an otion to do it like that.
Just throwing options out thats all, no idea if it helps!
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i must be different to many punters then..i can't be doing with all that..i've all on trying to stay ahead of the game studying it..actually making a bet i personally need to be very easy..hence..i have only used betfair since early 00's

you say there is 3 years there..but if you win with a number of bookies..are they not going to share that info and so stop you even registering? Again i am going back to..bookies only want losing punters. I am basing that on what i am reading on this thread..do they share info?
 
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I've no idea EC, my thought process is, is you make the bets smaller and spread them about I would guess they are less likely to notice. I'm sure they don't share info on punters having a fiver on every week or two. As I say, I couldn't be bothered either, unless I was going to win a lot, If I had known about the last Curley gamble, I would have had no problem spending a couple of hours putting 20 x 50p yankees on at early prices considering the potential returns, and if I got all those accounts closed afterwards I wouldn't really care haha.

Regarding the smaller bookies not paying out, when I say smaller I don't particulary mean new.

12bet have been around at least 6 years and sponsor football teams such as wigan
188bet have been around years, sponsoring different premier clubs
Betway sponsor west ham

If they have the money to do that then I'm sure they aren't going to be too bad at paying out a few hundred quid.
 
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i must be different to many punters then..i can't be doing with all that..i've all on trying to stay ahead of the game studying it..actually making a bet i personally need to be very easy..hence..i have only used betfair since early 00's

you say there is 3 years there..but if you win with a number of bookies..are they not going to share that info and so stop you even registering? Again i am going back to..bookies only want losing punters. I am basing that on what i am reading on this thread..do they share info?
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personally I simply don't want to have an account which will be closed and I have to go through hassle but sky bet seems to be highlighted as ok

as for sharing info, I suspect it's the two big Irish bookmakers between themselves but probably not widespread.

at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Bet fair are the winners.
 
SkyBet are not ok.
None of them are.
Boyles, SeannieMac and Apollo are the same so would share info.
They all limit to either win max £50,£25,£10 or allow just SP.
Horses seem to be the main catalyst in my own experience. Accounts only betting offers on footy lasted over a year...touch racing and they are gone after a short while.
It really is disgusting how it can be allowed.
 
dvds2000 said:
I've been using Netbet for about 6 months like you describe and not had a problem (cue account closed email in next 10 minutes)
Pinnacle seem to have a reputation for not closing accounts very often

I've also used Skybet for a number of years without having limits or anything, however I read ages ago to have a little dabble on the casino every now and then so most times when I win a decent amount I usually stick a tenner on the slots, 10 plays at £1 a go, more often than not get at least a fiver back,. and have won a couple of hundred a few times too, no idea if thats stopped any account closure or limits but the fact I have had neither means I'll keep doing it!

You could maybe try some of the lesser known bookies, if they close you down just go elsewhere.
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pinnacle are not available in UK unless you are bothered to hide your location with gadgets
 
Smaller bookies limit quicker.
I placed two bets with Winner last week for £40 and they were 3/1 and 5/1.... Both referred to a Trader.....accepted but that's what you are up against.
 
Ok

well ladbrokes anyone?

Frankly all all this means is that betfair are laughing in their faces. And rightly so

But to be honest Harry, why bother ? Fluffing a round opening accounts here tehre and everywhere. Does the tiny margins accrued justify the time spent ? Why not stick it all in bet fair.? I'm with ec on this one. Bookmaking is dead.
 
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clivex said:
Ok

well ladbrokes anyone?

Frankly all all this means is that betfair are laughing in their faces. And rightly so

But to be honest Harry, why bother ? Fluffing a round opening accounts here tehre and everywhere. Does the tiny margins accrued justify the time spent ? Why not stick it all in bet fair.? I'm with ec on this one. Bookmaking is dead.
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Ive explained what I've done earlier in the thread Clive: it was well worth fluffing around, the profits suited me and I had no risk to my money. I can't win backing horses, so I would lose with Betfair or bookies.

Oh yes, Ladbrokes are one of the better ones but they pull the plug once racing is involved too
 
Ladbrokes were the first bookie to limit me, and this was about 10 or more years ago. I was limited to £1.67 on any all weather race for some reason, which was strange as I had only ever placed 2 all weather bets with them at the time, £5 wins on prices under 3-1!
My limit on a forecast was 0.00 even though I had never done one with them
 
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clivex said:
firstly it is an absolute certainty that these bookwankers are sharing information. What a pathetic bunch they are. Do they really think someone who bets at my level is going to be a threat ?
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It's not just you alone, mate, it's thousands of us, myself included, who have had their PaddyPower accounts clobbered this weekend as I mentioned in post #100.
Neither do I think it is because Powers and Boyles are sharing customer data; it's just that this weekend Powers have made a management decision to indulge in an orgy of bannings.
It really has been widespread, and it is a topic on Twitter.

Some fella by the name of Andrew Thornley has sent out an open letter: :D

"Dear All,

I have been representing a number of customers over a period of time restricted by bookmakers, and have made representations to MPs who are aware of the situation.

On one hand they claim to be a "normal" business when applying for planning permissions, as per Coral in a recent BBC documentary, but then also wish to exclude customers from certain promotions that are public offered and advertised, contrary to EU Law.

I have been told about mass restrictions today being applied on the eve of the second weekend of Premier League football with Paddy Power.

Firstly: the goalscorer offer already struck. It can be argued that without the £2 per goal offer, customers would have bet elsewhere as the prices were lower than competitors. They have changed the price after the product was purchased. My recommendation to Paddy Power is that this offer should stand for all.

Secondly: the football and racing promotions should be restricted for ALL, if they want to pull it for some. Alternatively, they should make the offer "privately", eg. via invite alone. Certainly not be continuing to make offers by text, internet, email and TV adverts as if it was open to ALL.

Ultimately, if you need help, please contact me, but there is certainly no harm done if you drop an email to your LOCAL MP or contact Mr Salmond, as per the recent Guardian article.

I am very sorry, it won't solve your problems but punters need to act united and prevent this problem from being "acceptable".

KR
Andrew"
 
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