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Miesque

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9 days to go and pre-entries closed yesterday.

Juvenile Sprint
Almost an Angle (2nd pref. Juvenile Fillies)
Beholder (2nd pref. Juvenile Fillies)
Ceiling Kitty (GB)
Hazardouos
Hightail
Kauai Katie (1st pref. Juvenile Fillies)
Merit Man
South Floyd
Super Ninety Nine
Sweet Shirley Mae (2nd pref. Juvenile Fillies)


Juvenile Fillies Turf
Flashy Ways
Flotilla (FR)
Kitten's Point
Moonwalk
Nancy O (IRE)
Oscar Party
Sky Lantern (IRE)
Spring Venture
Summer of Fun
Sustained
Tara From the Cape
The Gold Cheongsam (IRE)
Waterway Run
Watsdachances (IRE)
Not selected into field; listed in order of preference by BC:
Infanta Branca
Renee's Queen (1st pref. Juvenile Fillies)
Manuka Honey
Moulin de Mougin


Juvenile Turf
Artigiano
Balance the Books
Brown Almighty
Dry Summer
Dundonnell
Fantastic Moon (GB)
George Vancouver
Gervinho
I'm Boundtoscore
Joha
Know More (2nd pref. Juvenile)
Lines of Battle
Noble Tune
Summit Country
Not selected into field; listed by order of preference by BC:
Snow King
He's Had Enough (1st pref. Juvenile)
Gabriel Charles
Riding Legend (GB)
Under Review

Juvenile Fillies
Almost an Angel (1st pref. Juvenile Sprint)
Beholder (1st pref. Juvenile Sprint)
Broken Spell
Dreaming of Julia
Executiveprivilege
Kauai Katie (2nd pref. Juvenile Sprint)
Renee's Queen
Spring in the Air
Sweet Shirley Mae (1st pref. Juvenile Sprint)


Juvenile
Capo Bastone
Dynamic Sky
Fortify
He's Had Enough (2nd pref. Juvenile Turf)
Know More (1st pref. Juvenile Turf)
Monument
Power Broker
Shanghai Bobby
Speak Logistics
Title Contender

Marathon
Alumdena (PER) (2nd pref. F&M Turf)
Atigun
Balladry
Calidoscopio (ARG)
Commander
Eldaafer
Fame And Glory (GB)
Grassy
Jaycito
Juniper Pass
Not Abroad
Romp (ARG)
Sense of Purpose (IRE)
Worth Repeating
Not selected into field
Quail Hill

Filly & Mare Sprint
Belle of the Hall
Class Included (2nd pref. Ladies' Classic)
Contested
Dust and Diamonds
Great Hot (BRZ)
Groupie Doll
Musical Romance
Reneesgotzip (1st pref. Turf Sprint)
Rumor
Self Preservation
Strike the Moon
Switch
Teddy's Promise
Turbulent Descent

Turf Sprint
Bridgetown
California Flag
Camp Victory
Chosen Miracle
Corporate Jungle
Great Attack
Great Mills
Mizdirection
Next Question
Reneesgotzip (2nd pref. F&M Sprint)
Starspangledbanner (AUS)
Tale of a Champion
Unbridled's Note
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Not selected into field; listed in order of preference by BC:
Global Power
Boxeur des Rues (2nc pref. Sprint)
Starspangled Heat

Sprint
Amazombie
Capital Account
Coil
Emcee (2nd pref. Dirt Mile)
Gantry
Hamazing Destiny
Jimmy Creed (2nd pref. Dirt Mile)
Justin Phillip
Poseidon's Warrior
Second City (2nd pref. Dirt Mile)
Smiling Tiger
Sum of the Parts
The Lumber Guy
Trinniberg
Not selected into field; listed in order of preference by BC:
Fast Bullet
Boxeur des Rues (1st pref. Turf Sprint)

Filly & Mare Turf
Almudena (PER) (1st pref. Marathon)
I'm A Dreamer (IRE)
In Lingerie (2nd pref. Ladies' Classic)
Lady of Shamrock
Marketing Mix
Nahrain (GB)
Nereid
Ridasiyna (FR)
Star Billing
Stormy Lucy
The Fugue (GB) (2nd pref. Turf)
Up (IRE)
Zagora (FR)

Mile
Animal Kingdom
Doubles Partner
Excelebration (IRE)
Jeranimo
Little Mike (2nd pref. Turf)
Moonlight Cloud (GB)
Mr. Commons
Obviously (IRE)
Suggestive Boy (ARG)
Trailblazer (JPN) (1st pref. Turf)
Turbo Compressor (1st pref. Turf)
Wilcox Inn
Wise Dan

Turf
Bourbon Bay
Cogito
Dullahan (1st pref. Classic)
Kindergarden Kid
Little Mike (1st pref. Mile)
Optimizer
Point of Entry
Shareta (IRE)
Slim Shadey (GB)
St Nicholas Abbey (IRE)
The Fugue (GB) (1st pref F&M Turf)
Trailblazer (JPN)
Treasure Beach (GB)
Turbo Compressor (2nd pref. Mile)

Dirt Mile
Delegation
Emcee (1st pref. Sprint)
Fed Biz
Handsome Mike (1st pref. Classic)
Jersey Town
Jimmy Creed (1st pref. Sprint)
John Scott
Nonios (2nd pref. Classic)
Rail Trip
Second City (1st pref. Sprint)
Shackleford
Tapizar


Ladies' Classic
Awesome Feather
Class Included (1st pref. F&M Sprint)
Grace Hall
In Lingerie (1st pref. F&M Turf)
Include Me Out
Love and Pride
My Miss Aurelia
Questing (GB)
Royal Delta (2nd pref. Classic)

Classic
Alpha
Brilliant Speed
Dullahan (2nd pref. Turf)
Flat Out
Fort Larned
Game On Dude
Handsome Mike (2nd pref. Dirt Mile)
Mucho Macho Man
Nonios (1st pref. Dirt Mile)
Pool Play
Richard's Kid
Ron the Greek
Royal Delta (1st pref. Ladies' Classic)
To Honor and Serve
 
Some great pricing ricks by the big firms though. They don't seem to even look at the Beyer figures which are so instrumental in forming the US market.
 
How is Shareta 5s for the Turf by the way?!

Beat St Nic on both occasions they've met and that Yank horse is nowt special. She should be 9/4!
 
Hey, the BC gives me a reason to expense a trip to California...."poor" racing or not so I won't complain.

The tiny fields for the Juv races are a result of the ban on all race day medication for 2yos (Lasix, bute etc.) - thoughts ?
 
The tiny fields for the Juv races are a result of the ban on all race day medication for 2yos (Lasix, bute etc.) - thoughts ?
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Numbers aside, are the top performers entered or are there some notable absentees?
 
Miesque said:
The tiny fields for the Juv races are a result of the ban on all race day medication for 2yos (Lasix, bute etc.) - thoughts ?
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Surely a good thing long term.
Any other juv winner bar Street Sense do any good at 3?
Time to leave the medication behind just like the cyclists; with all the veterinary tools available from ultra sound to laser to scoping to blood sampling to feed analysis ther should be no need to medicate.
Let only the inherently "sound" horses cover 200+ mares per season from now on.
 
edgt said:
Surely a good thing long term.
Time to leave the medication behind just like the cyclists; with all the veterinary tools available from ultra sound to laser to scoping to blood sampling to feed analysis ther should be no need to medicate.
Let only the inherently "sound" horses cover 200+ mares per season from now on.
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Agree with all this.
 
I'm interested in the connections decision to run Fantastic Moon here. He has to put a strange run at Newmarket last time behind him, but why given his sire won an Arc on heavy, and his mother won a listed race on similiar ground (before being packed off to stud), are they sending it over there instead of going to Doncaster?

I know his form is on fast ground, which is a littel bit peculiar given his breeding, but I found it interesting to read the owners representative being so forthright in the post on Tuesday by saying: "he won't run at Doncaster if the going is soft."

Perhaps he is a very good horse on firm.

I reckon Noseda will have him tuned to the minute for a big run and he's obviously a horse who won't be lacking for a killer turn of foot thats for sure (looking at the Sandown run).
 
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Marble said:
I'm interested in the connections decision to run Fantastic Moon here. He has to put a strange run at Newmarket last time behind him, but why given his sire won an Arc on heavy, and his mother won a listed race on similiar ground (before being packed off to stud), are they sending it over there instead of going to Doncaster?

I know his form is on fast ground, which is a littel bit peculiar given his breeding, but I found it interesting to read the owners representative being so forthright in the post on Tuesday by saying: "he won't run at Doncaster if the going is soft."

Perhaps he is a very good horse on firm.

I reckon Noseda will have him tuned to the minute for a big run and he's obviously a horse who won't be lacking for a killer turn of foot thats for sure (looking at the Sandown run).
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Marb
Maybe they're more likely to get fast ground in Southern California than in South Yorkshire, and a BC win wouldn't harm his U.S. stud prospects either.
For mine, the acceleration he showed at Sandown was more of a surge than a rapid change of gear, and at Newmarket it again took him a while to regain momentum, after becoming unbalanced due to interference.
The Santa Anita turf track is less than 1m round, very different to where he's plied his trade thus far, and I just cannot see Fantastic Moon having the speed for it.
 
If the Fugue and Fame and Glory are genuine favs for their respective races they must be well short of decent horses in the USA.

Looking forward to Excelebration V Moonlight Cloud and St Nicholas Abbey will have my attention but it just about ends there.

When Zenyatta was doing her shuffle I couldn't wait for it to happen but this year we've been so wrapped up in Frankel I wouldn't know an American horse if it jumped up and bit me.
 
The thoroughly likeable 5yo Wise Dan is the top rated horse in the US on both turf and dirt this year..... The time it took you to read this is about how far behind Frankel he is...
 
Aragorn said:
The thoroughly likeable 5yo Wise Dan is the top rated horse in the US on both turf and dirt this year..... The time it took you to read this is about how far behind Frankel he is...
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All I can say to that is you must think I'm a slow reader :0) It should make an interesting watch though

The toughest call is will Excelebration handle the traveling and be at his best on the day?

The only link we have is when getting 3lbs Wise Dan beat Cityscape 4 lengths on ground that the Roger Charlton horse is not at his best on


Cityscape is more at home with cut in the ground and he had that when Excelebration beat him just as easily at Ascot off levels. On that basis Excelebration is probably a better horse than Wise which makes him well short of Frankel on ability.

Looks a nice horse but whether he can handle Excelebration if he turns up in the form he was in at Ascot remains to be seen
 
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He is 3lbs behind Excelebration on RPR's. It'll be a good race though as Wise Dan is no mug and still looks progressive.
 
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