French Flat Season 2012

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I really don't think there's any need to take her out of France as she can comfortably go through with an Arc Campaign without having to engage in hard battles elsewhere especially as there really seems to be no demand for her anyway.
 
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Not for the first time Savage you completely miss the point. It's about the competion and Fabre is as competitive as they come. What are you going on about with "there is no demand for her". She is a homebred like her mother and when finished will make a fabulous additon to the owner's stud.
 
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No European or Worldwide demand for her to compete against the top class colts and thoroughbreds, like Gamla says her probably route will be the Rothschild and Marois instead of Prince of Wales.

Can't understand what she'd gain from travelling to Ascot for The Prince of Wales personally and nor would Fabre send her there anyway and I'd put money on that with you.
 
How much money do you want to put on that. Just make sure when you lose it it's enough for you to go squealing to your momma. Maybe get a diaper change while you're at it.
 
Since when has European or Worldwide demand been a determining factor in a horse's campaign?!

She might well miss Ascot but she has plenty to gain if she does make the trip: prestige, money and a fabulous day out for the owners.
 
How much money do you want to put on that. Just make sure when you lose it it's enough for you to go squealing to your momma. Maybe get a diaper change while you're at it.

How Childish Brendan,

There was me thinking that you was a serious racing enthusiast whose posts were worth reading but I have to change my opinions regarding you.

Don't think there's much behind the Username but a casual punter especially with that sort of attitude you'd expect from a gathering in Corals on a Friday night.

Will have to avoid all interaction with you on here in an attempt to save not only my time but my reputation of whom I associate with.
 
Andre Fabre hails Golden Lilac as the best filly he's ever trained, hands down. In the next sentence he says his only option at Royal Ascot would be the Prince of Wales as he does not want to take on Frankel in the Queen Anne. Strong statements indeed.

Not that strong a statement really. Most of his best horses have been colts - he's not trained the Prix Vermeille winner since Intrepidity. I would think Banks Hill is his best filly up until GL.
 
Since when has European or Worldwide demand been a determining factor in a horse's campaign?!

She might well miss Ascot but she has plenty to gain if she does make the trip: prestige, money and a fabulous day out for the owners.

Maybe,

There are far better routes for her to go and she doesn't strike me as one that's ready to leave France just yet as Fabre has been very patient with her.

The horse clearly suits French style of Racing and looks to be on a designated program over there on route to a big target and you get the feeling he would of been happy with a place in the Prix D'Ispahan let alone manage a win.

With regards to the prize money and prestige then the French tend to keep their good older horses in their own country for a certain duration of the season because not only is their racing program designed accurately to reflect progression in a race horse there's plenty of strength and depth, if anything the Golden Lilac connections will entice support from us and across the world to come and take her on - very much like Goldikova she's now the horse they might all have to beat so the balls firmly in Fabre's court and why would you take an inform filly out of her environment to prove something she doesn't have to at half the prize money in order to live up to this "Royal Ascot" reputation.

There's no way she's going to The Prince of Wales in my book, we'd see her travelling away from France towards the end of the season I suspect.
 
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Not that strong a statement really. Most of his best horses have been colts - he's not trained the Prix Vermeille winner since Intrepidity. I would think Banks Hill is his best filly up until GL.

Banks Hill alone would be quite a feat to topple. She was an absolute beast. There were others who were very very good like Grey Lilas, Jolypha, Ski Paradise, East of the Moon to name a few. Before GL beat the colts on Sunday one could not have suspected that she would be top of the tree.
 
Maybe,

There are far better routes for her to go and she doesn't strike me as one that's ready to leave France just yet as Fabre has been very patient with her.

The horse clearly suits French style of Racing and looks to be on a designated program over there on route to a big target and you get the feeling he would of been happy with a place in the Prix D'Ispahan let alone manage a win.

With regards to the prize money and prestige then the French tend to keep their good older horses in their own country for a certain duration of the season because not only is their racing program designed accurately to reflect progression in a race horse there's plenty of strength and depth, if anything the Golden Lilac connections will entice support from us and across the world to come and take her on - very much like Goldikova she's now the horse they might all have to beat so the balls firmly in Fabre's court and why would you take an inform filly out of her environment to prove something she doesn't have to at half the prize money in order to live up to this "Royal Ascot" reputation.

There's no way she's going to The Prince of Wales in my book, we'd see her travelling away from France towards the end of the season I suspect.

Hmm, pays to do just a little bit of diligence before spouting off. Direct quote from the Sportinglife website: It was not a discovery to us to see her go and win like that, I was very confident," said Fabre. Anybody who knows anything about Fabre knows that he wouldn't say that if he would have been happy with a place. The rest of what you write is chock full of meaningless generalities.
Why is Black Caviar coming halfway around the world to Royal Ascot to run for what amounts to a few cans of beans compared to the Aussie pots she can pick off at leisure?

The problem with you Savage is that you shoot off reams of inanities and when somebody calls you out on it you either
a) ignore it
b) spout even more drivel to tire people of reading what you have to say or
c) threaten to leave until after the Derby like weeks ago only to show up a few days later.

You got one thing right though I am very serious when it comes to racing.
 
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Hmm, pays to do just a little bit of diligence before spouting off. Direct quote from the Sportinglife website: It was not a discovery to us to see her go and win like that, I was very confident," said Fabre. Anybody who knows anything about Fabre knows that he wouldn't say that if he would have been happy with a place. The rest of what you write is chock full of meaningless generalities.
Why is Black Caviar coming halfway around the world to Royal Ascot to run for what amounts to a few cans of beans compared to the Aussie pots she can pick off at leisure?

The problem with you Savage is that you shoot off reams of inanities and when somebody calls you out on it you either
a) ignore it
b) spout even more drivel to tire people of reading what you have to say or
c) threaten to leave until after the Derby like weeks ago only to show up a few days later.

You got one thing right though I am very serious when it comes to racing.

Peter Moody doesn't even want to come over and race her at Royal Ascot, the main reason for him coming over is to shut people up like you who put pressure on trainers to run horse in races to "prove their reputation" just like you want Golden Lilac in the Prince Of Wales in which she'd probably struggle to run to form against Cirus Des Aigles in all honesty.

No one on here seriously thinks I spout rubbish, I think personally you're just a twisted individual who has nothing better to do with his time than come on here and pick posts to go to war with.

Some of us actually sit down think about what we're saying calculate some homework on racing then present them to the discussion board for relevant conversation.

Unlike some people who offer no input on here and would rather sit back make insane generalizations based on no evidence a part from carrying the torch from previous anti-brucivilians on here that want an honest, intelligent, hard working and passionate person banned because they can't get into the level of theorem that requires a debate on my levels.

It's quite clear Brendan that your energy is best served elsewhere in these tropical tempreture's because quite frankly you've been a passenger on here for a while carried by more dedicated members who want to get to the heart and soul of a debate with fellow colleagues rather than aim inaccurate, spiteful and inciting comments that's not only counter productive for the forum but works against your self in the long run.

Now I've got a train to catch and you probably haven't so it's best you refrain from replying before you go off on someone else who might otherwise bite your bate, unlike my goodself I see the bigger picture in all of these and want to end any negativity you wish to bring into this thread.
 
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She needs supplementing for the PoW too.

I think this is the most interesting thing. Fabre mentions the race and he must know that she needs supplementing, unless he hasn't realised. The way he was talking it sounded like "we want to bring her to Ascot, there is no point taking on Frankel so therefore she'll run in the PoW".

I might have read it wrong but I thought there was a fair degree of intent.

Edit: I've just found this quote "It’s complicated. I might supplement her for the Prince of Wales’s Stakes or perhaps wait for the Prix Jacques le Marois. I'll have to think about it".

Fabre obviously knows the situation and says it's a possible. However, that sounds like the prospect is less likely than the piece I had read previously.

And I've found that now too: "The only option she has at Royal Ascot is the one over 2000 metres (10 furlongs), the Prince of Wales's Stakes, as I wouldn't want to take on Frankel over a mile in the Queen Anne.

"It looks like the Irish horse (So You Think) would be her main danger in the Prince of Wales's."
 
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Fabre likes Ascot and that race especially through the years especially since it upgraded to Group 1. It has surpassed the other 10f Group ones for older horses and has even had a detrimental effect on the Eclipse in recent years in my opinion.
 
I've always liked Golden Lilac, but I was surprised she won the other day. Not as gobsmacked as when she was beaten by Galikova last year though but there could have been something wrong with her that day as she was taken out of all her later entries after that race. I'd love her to come over to Ascot as I'd be there to see her. Fabre is probably up there with Willie Mullins as the two trainers in Europe I'd love to have horses with. Fantastic trainers.
 
Peter Moody doesn't even want to come over and race her at Royal Ascot, the main reason for him coming over is to shut people up like you who put pressure on trainers to run horse in races to "prove their reputation" just like you want Golden Lilac in the Prince Of Wales in which she'd probably struggle to run to form against Cirus Des Aigles in all honesty.

No one on here seriously thinks I spout rubbish, I think personally you're just a twisted individual who has nothing better to do with his time than come on here and pick posts to go to war with.

Some of us actually sit down think about what we're saying calculate some homework on racing then present them to the discussion board for relevant conversation.

Unlike some people who offer no input on here and would rather sit back make insane generalizations based on no evidence a part from carrying the torch from previous anti-brucivilians on here that want an honest, intelligent, hard working and passionate person banned because they can't get into the level of theorem that requires a debate on my levels.

It's quite clear Brendan that your energy is best served elsewhere in these tropical tempreture's because quite frankly you've been a passenger on here for a while carried by more dedicated members who want to get to the heart and soul of a debate with fellow colleagues rather than aim inaccurate, spiteful and inciting comments that's not only counter productive for the forum but works against your self in the long run.

Now I've got a train to catch and you probably haven't so it's best you refrain from replying before you go off on someone else who might otherwise bite your bate, unlike my goodself I see the bigger picture in all of these and want to end any negativity you wish to bring into this thread.

Where's the yawn smilie? You really are one pompous little ****.
 
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I've always liked Golden Lilac, but I was surprised she won the other day. Not as gobsmacked as when she was beaten by Galikova last year though but there could have been something wrong with her that day as she was taken out of all her later entries after that race. I'd love her to come over to Ascot as I'd be there to see her. Fabre is probably up there with Willie Mullins as the two trainers in Europe I'd love to have horses with. Fantastic trainers.

She came back very sick from that loss, it's why she did not run again last year.
 
Where's the yawn smilie? You really are one pompous little ****.

Pack it in you two. This forum is bad enough these days without these childish internet spats.

Back on topic... On the wrong thread....

Moody is only taking Black Caviar to the UK because the owners insisted upon it. He was of the opinion that she had already beaten the world's best sprinters in Australia so why travel her to beat lesser sprinters? He has a point really.
 
Not that strong a statement really. Most of his best horses have been colts - he's not trained the Prix Vermeille winner since Intrepidity. I would think Banks Hill is his best filly up until GL.

Banks Hill was better than Lilac
Wemyss Bight and Intrepidity were good ones too


however for the level of horses he has trained he has not had many good fillies or mares.
 
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