Frost vs Dunne

“Allegedly” ??? Wow….

Unfortunately there are too many people still around in racing who have the attitude that women should put up and shut up. It will die out eventually as they pass away, but until then it’s going to be like this I think - thankfully it won’t take too many more years. Thinking some lady jockeys are good exonerates the attitude is missing the point so spectacularly that it isn’t even worth correcting.

Thank god that was your last word Tanlic - it’s far better to be quiet in your position, then we could have just thought you were stupid rather than you opening your mouth and proving it.



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Tanlic said:
My last word on this is what allegedly happened to Trudij was horrendous and someone should have been thrown in jail, others thrown out of racing but it was a thousnad times worse than what happened to Broyony Frost.

If Bryony was a stable girl employed to muck out and not a top female jockey this would never have got the publicity nor would Dunne have been banned.
At worse he would have been taken aside and given a stern talking too


As it is the BHA Jolly well have to be seen to do the right thing..she's a star and we (The BHA) get a big feather in our cap.

People say she has done wonders for women jockeys to me she has set the game back years
IMO should have handled this like a man (Excuse the pun) and sucker punched Dunne in the face in front of the entire weiging room when he tried to be a smart ass.


She would have gotten more support from her fellow jockeys than she will ever get now.

Right now she has very few friends in the weighing room as her actions affects everyone and that is unlikely to unfortunately change.

This will get worse an the me too brigade will now come out like Trudji has and racings reputation will suffer greatly
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I’m sorry, Tanlic, but this is a ridiculous post, and so far removed from what is right on so many levels, it’s sort of hard to comprehend.

The best I can do is make some small allowance for the fact you’re essentially from a different era, and find it harder to appreciate just how much the world has moved on. Otherwise, as someone who thinks you’re generally sound, you’re not doing yourself any favours on this thread, and you may be best-served by not commenting any further.

Stick to what you’re good at i.e. defending Henderson no matter what in the face of all available evidence, like the stubborn old cu*nt you are. :thumbsup:
 
Go read Nancy Von Short's take on things. I just did. She makes more or less the same points as me and she is married to the industry. The BHA should have nipped this in the bud months ago.

They have ended a guys career and believe me this has done Bryony Frost no favours.

My post is not ridiculous it's factual...do you think it would have gotten the publicity it has if it was wee Mary from easterhouse he had a beef with?

The golden rule has been broken what happens in Rome stays in Rome and believe you me she has very few male friends now and most women Jockeys are keeping out of it.

I respect her as a rider but as a person she's a cry baby who's weakness and Dunne's ignorance together has dragged racing through the dirt.

As NVS says the guy will be touching 40 years old when his sentence is up which is totally unjust but the BHA are the Fake News of racing and it's all politics

You stick to slagging Henderson at every chance and kep ignoring the fact he is one of the most successful trainers in NH history.
 
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Fist, I think Trudi is due an apology from you for your use of the word "allegedly". Are you suggesting that she made that experience up.

Grass, I think I may well be from the same era as Fist but I can assure you I do not have the same views with regard to working alongside females.

If the argument was about equal prize-money for female tennis players at Wimbledon or equality of rewards for 'professional' female footballers, I would be taking a very different stance.
 
I read it on Saturday, Tanlic, and figured it was largely bollocks.

Col bach, I am making allowances for Fist only, based only on what he says. Everyone knows you’re the nicest guy on the Internet, and don’t have a bad bone in your body, so please don’t think I’m suggesting everyone of a certain vintage has the same outlook.
 
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Fist, I think Trudi is due an apology from you for your use of the word "allegedly". Are you suggesting that she made that experience up.

Grass, I think I may well be from the same era as Fist but I can assure you I do not have the same views with regard to working alongside females.

If the argument was about equal prize-money for female tennis players at Wimbledon or equality of rewards for 'professional' female footballers, I would be taking a very different stance.
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An apology for what? Why not tell the racing post to go appologies to Robbie Dunne.....Robbie Dunne allegedly "opened his towel and shook himself" in front of Bryony Frost in a male changing room, according to testimony at a disciplinary THE RACING POST

The term is just a precautionary word it has no meaning outside of common sense.

I don't know Trudji from a packet of Golden Wonder crisps and I don't beileve or disbelieve her story but some parts of it makes me cringe.

A Trainer was battering her horses everyday but she loved them so much she never said anything or called the RSPCA annonymously just doesb't lay down great with me.

If I had gone home and told my parents that when I was 18 they would have called the RSPCA there and then and taken me out of the stable straight away
 
Tanlic said:
Go read Nancy Von Short's take on things. I just did. She makes more or less the same points as me and she is married to the industry. The BHA should have nipped this in the bud months ago.

They have ended a guys career and believe me this has done Bryony Frost no favours.

My post is not ridiculous it's factual...do you think it would have gotten the publicity it has if it was wee Mary from easterhouse he had a beef with?

The golden rule has been broken what happens in Rome stays in Rome and believe you me she has very few male friends now and most women Jockeys are keeping out of it.

I respect her as a rider but as a person she's a cry baby who's weakness and Dunne's ignorance together has dragged racing through the dirt.

As NVS says the guy will be touching 40 years old when his sentence is up which is totally unjust but the BHA are the Fake News of racing and it's all politics

You stick to slagging Henderson at every chance and kep ignoring the fact he is one of the most successful trainers in NH history.
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You’re very hung up on the Golden Rule, Tanlic. That has to be based on self policing and sorting out problems in-house, doesn’t it? Totally failed in this case, though, as Ruby Walsh pointed out. ‘Course if it’s there so they can act like a load of dickheads without any worries of being brought to book, then it’s a different story and one that seems nearer the mark in this case.

Every time you put finger to keyboard you epitomise the wholly unacceptable attitudes that have given rise to the problems in the first place.
 
One of the wonders of our “old-fashioned” forum is that we largely stick together, and we very much respect each other’s opinions. When one of our own tells us something that has no doubt troubled her for years and traumatised her at the time - and she has probably not shared this information to many people - we don’t just take that information at face value: we support her and we offer our genuine sympathy. What we don’t do, Tanlic, is doubt her and still look to continue an argument with her. Tanlic - you owe Trudji an apology.
 
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What I find annnoying is the BHA making an example of Dunne with a crazy length of ban.

Where I come from Galsgow you strike a girl the nearest guy to you will smack you. It's the law of the land.

Actually assaulting someone is far worse than name calling and empty threats yet Timmy Murphy attacked Dominic Elsworth afew years back and got something like 6 days from the BHA.

BTW there are a huge amount of jockeys who are very unhappy with BF and it will trust me affect her career.

She could have gone to the stewards and asked them to have a word and even called a meeting to clear the air.

Brain Barker QC is now boasting about the affect this will have on weighing room banter..

Is that the same guy who let 3 convicted murdererers out on bail the night before sentencing and 2 of them absconded?

If so his career seems to have taken a nose dive and his judgement has not improved
 
Tanlic, if you can't tell the difference between two male jockeys 'having it out', and the sustained bullying which Robbie Dunne subjected Bryony Frost to, there's almost no hope for you.

The length of the sentence is a technical matter (some will say too long, others will say not enough, and some will say it's about right). It is the fact that Dunne has been found guilty which you should be focusing on - yet here you are again, refusing to accept if for what it is.

Given this campaign by Dunne went on for months, you are in no position to say whether this was reported and ignored, or not reported at all. Furthermore, it is certainly not on Bryony Frost to 'call a meeting to clear the air' with Dunne. What should have happened is that one of the self-titled senior jockeys should have had a word in Dunne's ear, and told him to pack it in........but none of them did, making you wonder what makes them senior, because it certainly can't be a measure of maturity. Those 'senior' jockeys who sat by and did/said nothing - as well as those ex-jockeys who think she is the problem - are almost as accountable as Dunne, imo.

Your last few contributions amount to more victim-shaming/blaming. I'm disappointed in you.
 
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Meh, he’s entitled to his opinion - I’m well over it. I reckon it says way more about him than me.

I did take a while to decide to post - it’s not something that a lot of people know about me, it’s not exactly something I am proud of. What I do know is that my daughter is never going to grow up as scared to speak out as I was - she’s growing into an incredibly strong young lady and I’m making damn sure she’s never going to be intimidated by anyone.


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trudij said:
Meh, he’s entitled to his opinion - I’m well over it. I reckon it says way more about him than me.

I did take a while to decide to post - it’s not something that a lot of people know about me, it’s not exactly something I am proud of. What I do know is that my daughter is never going to grow up as scared to speak out as I was - she’s growing into an incredibly strong young lady and I’m making damn sure she’s never going to be intimidated by anyone.


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Well, I for one am extremely grateful that you did, Trudij. The whole episode together with your and Jinny’s awful experiences have really brought it home to me as never before just how difficult (that’s an understatement) it has (is) been for women in racing and in life generally. I have not thought of it before very much in the eye of the beholder and this has made me do so. I must say that i’ve been squirming a bit at the realisation that a lot of my “harmless fun” over the years was probably not appreciated at all.
 
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Harmless fun and banter is fine. It’s the lifeblood of a racing yard, any workplace and normal life.
It’s when it goes too far and makes someone uncomfortable that it should stop - and when someone doesn’t that’s where the trouble starts.


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"As NVS says the guy will be touching 40 years old when his sentence is up which is totally unjust."

36 + 1.25 (given that a portion of the sentance is suspended) does not equal forty regardless of what Nancy Von Short says.
 
Tanlic said:
My last word on this is what allegedly happened to Trudij was horrendous and someone should have been thrown in jail, others thrown out of racing but it was a thousnad times worse than what happened to Broyony Frost.

If Bryony was a stable girl employed to muck out and not a top female jockey this would never have got the publicity nor would Dunne have been banned.
At worse he would have been taken aside and given a stern talking too


As it is the BHA Jolly well have to be seen to do the right thing..she's a star and we (The BHA) get a big feather in our cap.

People say she has done wonders for women jockeys to me she has set the game back years
IMO should have handled this like a man (Excuse the pun) and sucker punched Dunne in the face in front of the entire weiging room when he tried to be a smart ass.


She would have gotten more support from her fellow jockeys than she will ever get now.

Right now she has very few friends in the weighing room as her actions affects everyone and that is unlikely to unfortunately change.

This will get worse an the me too brigade will now come out like Trudji has and racings reputation will suffer greatly
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My last word on this is what allegedly happened to Trudij was horrendous and someone should have been thrown in jail, others are thrown out of racing but it was a thousand times worse than what happened to Bryony Frost.

If Bryony was a stable girl employed to muck out and not a top female jockey this would never have got the publicity nor would Dunne have been banned.
At worse he would have been taken aside and given a stern talking too.

If Bryony was a stable girl employed to muck out and not a top female jockey then Dunne wouldn't have been enraged by envy and jealousy, he'd have let her be!


As it is the BHA Jolly well have to be seen to do the right thing..she's a star and we (The BHA) get a big feather in our cap.

The PJA has now turned turtle and has reworded their initial comments, in line with the PHA's verdict.

People say she has done wonders for women jockeys to me she has set the game back years.

How on earth could it be a setback to the industry? She has highlighted the industry for what it is; Ignorant. Those jockeys who are turning their back on her, need to be very careful. What they are doing, could, in the eyes of the public and the authorities be deemed as harassment!


IMO should have handled this like a man (Excuse the pun) and sucker-punched Dunne in the face in front of the entire weighing room when he tried to be a smart ass.

More than likely this would have given rise to a physical strike from Dunne, thus he'd have had a defence for some sort of provocation and she would be facing the same charges!


She would have gotten more support from her fellow jockeys than she will ever get now.

It didn't happen over days, it happened over month's, where was her support?

Right now she has very few friends in the weighing room as her actions affect everyone and that is unlikely to unfortunately change.

Who needs friends like them, pure ignorance...McCoy and the likes have nowhere to hide now that they have committed to speaking without thinking!
 
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Tanlic said:
Where I come from Galsgow you strike a girl the nearest guy to you will smack you. It's the law of the land.
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My Dad was from Glasgow, born 1915, and he told me that when he was young police officers would hand out 'clips round ears' to scallywags like him if they were caught doing something wrong, and my Dad said that made them respect the police in a certain way as they didn't want a 'clip round the ear' from a burly policeman. That was the 1920s. Times have moved on.
 
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How on earth could it be a setback to the industry? She has highlighted the industry for what it is; Ignorant. Those jockeys who are turning their back on her, need to be very careful. What they are doing, could, in the eyes of the public and the authorities be deemed as harassment!
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I would be interested to know if there are any similar cases in France.

The French have what is commonly referred to as the Good Samaritan Law, whereby anyone standing by doing nothing while a criminal offence takes place is deemed guilty by association. (In effect, you are obliged by law to intervene.)
 
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My Dad was from Glasgow, born 1915, and he told me that when he was young police officers would hand out 'clips round ears' to scallywags like him if they were caught doing something wrong, and my Dad said that made them respect the police in a certain way as they didn't want a 'clip round the ear' from a burly policeman. That was the 1920s. Times have moved on.
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That was pretty much how it was portrayed in my youth (born 1955 so we're talking from about 1960-70) in Sunday paper comic strips like Oor Wullie and The Broons.

In circa 1977 my young brother and a couple of friends were walking along a Glasgow street minding their own business but, having had a couple of pints, probably not quietly, and were stopped by four guys claiming to be plain clothes police. It was never normal back then (still isn't, I hope) to carry ID and when they refused to produce any they were 'ushered' off the street behind a wall and duffed up.

The brother says he had no reason to believe they weren't real polis and he has never trusted them since.

I'm not sure times have moved on, to be honest. I think that still happens.
 
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That was pretty much how it was portrayed in my youth (born 1955 so we're talking from about 1960-70) in Sunday paper comic strips like Oor Wullie and The Broons.

In circa 1977 my young brother and a couple of friends were walking along a Glasgow street minding their own business but, having had a couple of pints, probably not quietly, and were stopped by four guys claiming to be plain clothes police. It was never normal back then (still isn't, I hope) to carry ID and when they refused to produce any they were 'ushered' off the street behind a wall and duffed up.

The brother says he had no reason to believe they weren't real polis and he has never trusted them since.

I'm not sure times have moved on, to be honest. I think that still happens.
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I would find it hard to believe 4 plain clothes officers would just be walking down a road at the same time, and they would have to carry id, so I think they were just louts to be honest. Might get away with that sort if behaviour in Scotland but not a chance down here in the Thames Valley.
In the 70s, one of my brothers was stopped by police near Birmingham shortly after the pub bombings. When they discovered he had an Irish surname, they ripped his car apart at the side of the road, in spite of his protestations that not only was he not Irish, had never been to Ireland, has a non descript Berkshire accent, and had total sympathy with the victims, they didn't want to listen. Times have changed.
 
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In the 70s, one of my brothers was stopped by police near Birmingham shortly after the pub bombings. When they discovered he had an Irish surname, they ripped his car apart at the side of the road, in spite of his protestations that not only was he not Irish, had never been to Ireland, has a non descript Berkshire accent, and had total sympathy with the victims, they didn't want to listen. Times have changed.
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Around the same time, my brother who lived in London was stopped several times by police, to the point that he eventually was issued with a card by the secret service to tell other arresting officers that he was not a member of the IRA. (His name was the code name used by the IRA when phoning to give advance warning of a bomb attack.)
 
She is becoming the most hated woman in racing,

selling herself to the lowest rag in the media and dragging racing through more dirt without a care in the world for her fellow riders.

Ever wonder why she is not liked? Now you know
 
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Tanlic, do yourself a favour and don't comment on this subject any further. You're making a complete fu*cking tit of yourself.
 
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