Frost vs Dunne

"Telling tales out of school!!!!!!!" I despair....a young woman is the subject of foul, obscene and disgusting abuse in her place of work yet to make an official complaint about it is described as "telling tales out of school!!" You couldn`t make it up!! What a "rancid" view.
 
Thank you for sharing that horrible experience with us, Trud, and it’s great that you feel that you can share a story such as that with your supportive internet friends; well, most of them. What you describe is horrific, and no one should ever have to endure that. No proper person would ever commit such an atrocity to a fellow human being either. I am truly sorry for your experience. It’s women like you that point the way forward, thankfully: there is absolutely no way any person should “accept” that treatment at work, even though what you would have been doing in reporting it would have been unusual and probably labelled “telling tales out of school”. Bryony has advanced the cause of women in racing massively this week, and I’m sorry the likes of yourself had to suffer in silence all those years, before Bryony could step forward to tell her tales out of school.
 
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G-G said:
Dunne will get a job with someone - old boys network - who you know, not what you know attitude of the racing fraternity. Notice he didn't ride Pretty Little Liar today as ban immediate so won't be able to ride whilst waiting an appeal, so if BHA take as long to sort that, the suspension period will be over.
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He was on course though, supposedly working for his brother.
 
Bryony Frost is a professional jockey and she is represented by the PJA - well, that’s a laugh.

How the PJA can defend the Weighing Room is beyond me. It seems that nobody from top to bottom in there lifted even a finger to put a stop to it and if they thought it was harmless fun then there’s not a shred of common sense amongst them. I have no doubt that most of them are decent human beings, but there really is no defending them in this and if “rancid” is not an apt description I don’t know what is.
 
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There is a huge difference in perception between the public displays of camaraderie and sportsmanship on course after a big race, where many losing jockeys make a point of congratulating a winning one - I've often remarked that racing stands out in that regard - and what is portrayed in this case.

The Frost-Dunne situation is totally at odds with my own perception.

I do find it hard to believe the weighing room atmosphere is 'rancid' but sexism, misogyny and bullying are rancid and anyone who exhibits those traits needs educating or psychological help or possibly both.
 
Watched the race. Not sure of the logic of how reflects badly on Bryony. But fair enough.

I don't see the horse jumping sharply left or violently left in the race above. Not at stratford either. It might have done in other races. I wouldn't want to get bogged down in terminology. (Note that all this is absolving Dunne of stupidity for going up it's inner. Had the horse a reputation for jumping violently left, going up it's inner would have been spectacularly stupid).

I think you are right, that the horse does corrects himself by edging left when jumping, and he did actually interfere with Agentleman at the third last in the above race doing just that. However I would class it as a racing accident - ten a penny -not as violent as Lee Edwards incident. And Agentleman was a length closer than Robbie Dunne's (cillians well) fatal fall meaning he was actually crossed. (Unlike Bryony in the Cillians Well incident). The point is the Bryony allowed the horse to edge left when jumping when it want interfering with others.

Did Kielan Woods deserve to be subjected to abuse, bullying by the jockeys following the race? I could see how that end up in a physical fight. Does this count as evidence of Kielan Woods being a dangerous jockey?

How far ahead of Robbie Dunne did Bryony need to be for it not to judged dangerous? It's clearly far greater distance for Bryony.
 
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Watched the race. Not sure of the logic of how reflects badly on Bryony. But fair enough.

I don't see the horse jumping sharply left or violently left in the race above. Not at stratford either. It might have done in other races. I wouldn't want to get bogged down in terminology. (Note that all this is absolving Dunne of stupidity for going up it's inner. Had the horse a reputation for jumping violently left, going up it's inner would have been spectacularly stupid).

I think you are right, that the horse does corrects himself by edging left when jumping, and he did actually interfere with Agentleman at the third last in the above race doing just that. However I would class it as a racing accident - ten a penny -not as violent as Lee Edwards incident. And Agentleman was a length closer than Robbie Dunne's (cillians well) fatal fall meaning he was actually crossed. (Unlike Bryony in the Cillians Well incident). The point is the Bryony allowed the horse to edge left when jumping when it want interfering with others.

Did Kielan Woods deserve to be subjected to abuse, bullying by the jockeys following the race? I could see how that end up in a physical fight. Does this count as evidence of Kielan Woods being a dangerous jockey?

How far ahead of Robbie Dunne did Bryony need to be for it not to judged dangerous? It's clearly far greater distance for Bryony.
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The question should be how close did Dunne have to be to put his horse in jepordy? In his position a blind man running for a bus could easly see her mount was jumping left on several occacions.

He had ample time to switch right and avoid any chance of a collision.

However he's moved up within a length of Bryony and he looked like an accident waitng to happen had she made a serious error.

Watching it many time his mount fell without and interfeence apart from visual and he had no one to blame but his mount or possibly himself...End of story
 
One wonders why Dunne and his legal team did not submit copies of these instances if they thought they were examples of dangerous riding.
 
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One wonders why Dunne and his legal team did not submit copies of these instances if they thought they were examples of dangerous riding.
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Reading through the transcript from his legal team, I felt they offered a very weak case compared to Bryonys team. They resorted to “that’s just how it is” type comments.
 
Currently on page four of this topic on the Betfair Community (there are 44!) Some really, really interesting comments (some awful ones too) and there are articles from back mid October concerning the initial leak.
 
Luck On Sunday is free to air on RacingTV Sunday morning at 9am, interviews with Paul Struthers of the PJA , then with BHA’s Tim Naylor re Frost v Dunne.
 
Nice Freudian slip early doors in an otherwise interesting article, though it’s easy to see where her bias lies - 38 isn’t “touching 40” and he can still work - just not ride in races - he’s hardly been left jobless and destitute.

Definitely agree those In charge have missed their chance to do a lot of good though - and yes, offering him the chance to do 18 months of rehab alongside a shorter riding ban and a fine might well have done more good in the long run.


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The article seems a little too forgiving of the antics of someone who is - after all - supposed to be a grown man, and one who has shown no contrition whatsoever.

My lad knew when he was 14yo that it wasn't on to call girls slags, sluts or whores. Someone close to Robbie Dunne i.e. someone who cares about his well-being, should recommend he go to counselling to sort out himself out. If he did that independently of any directive from the BHA or PJA, it would possibly work in his favour in the long run. He clearly has issues, and should seek some help.
 
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Agreeing that Bryony "felt" bullied is the tell-tale unfortunately. Think people need to accept that what happened was bullying, even if it was the norm for the weighing room.

The sums on the 15 month suspension of a 36 year old is funny.
 
The PJA have backed down from their original claim that she “felt” bullied into admitting that she was.
 
I was bullied at work and took it as far as I could. It didn’t really change anything. But I did it because he not only made my working life hell, but also many of my colleagues. He also didn’t do his job properly and people suffered because of it, and his bullying often made it difficult for me to do my job properly. Calling him out for bullying was as stressful as the bullying itself. I briefly saw someone at the gym who looked like him a couple of years ago and started shaking even though I hadn’t worked with him for years. I honestly don’t know how I coped mentally during the 20 years of working with him and I was the only person prepared to stand up to him even though one other person did actually have a breakdown. He turned my job, which I loved, into a nightmare.
 
I only saw the Aidan Coleman interview late last night. It was nearly as bad as Alain Cawley's on Thursday.

I don't understand how these guys don't get how bad they sound.
 
From David Dunne's ( Robbie Dunne's brother) Facebook


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