Gigginstown/Mullins

Do you have access to the complete lists Perps, one or two I'm interested in presumably amongst "others"
 
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Elliott basically told take your pick going by that divvying up.

Henry is clear number two in their pecking order now.

Joseph has got a couple of screws in Bel Sas and Arkwrisht, and Noel hanging on for dear life...he will go the way of Edward and Arthur soon.

Mouse was issued warning by O'Leary 12 months ago...good season saved his bacon.
 
From Narrowing The Field


For any normal yard the loss of 60 horses from the champion owner would be a hammer blow. Willie Mullins, however, is no normal trainer!
A quick look at his stats from the weekend tells us the Gigginstown split has, so far, had very little effect on him…
4 winners from 5 runners | 80% S/R | +£5.69 BFLSP
Those wins came in two Grade two’s and two Grade three’s. He wasn’t scoofing up some low grade maidens, far from it, he was nailing the hottest races on offer over in Ireland.
You can’t stop the Willie juggernaut!

If we compare the Mullins weekend stats (above) to the Gigginstown weekend stats (below) we again see that it’s not Mullins that is going to suffer the most from the split…
2/12 | 17% S/R | -£3.19 BFLSP – Win & Place 6/12 | 50% S/R
OK it’s only one weekend of racing and the season is only just slipping out of it’s summer gear but I think it’s a fair enough indicator that this mass removal of horse flesh isn’t even a minor bump in the road for team Mullins, simply a small inconvenience that’s he’s already dealt with and moved on from.
To be honest I’m more interested in the impact it will have on us punters.

These are the stats for the Mullins/Gigginstown partnership since the start of 2011…
159/493 | 32% S/R | +£128.54 BFLSP – Win & Place 271/493 | 55% S/R
A hefty strike-rate and a healthy level stakes profit to boot.
Indeed there has only been one year (2013) in the past six where you couldn’t have made a profit backing them blind.

If we drill down into the Mullins/Gigginstown Bumper runners we see an even heftier strike-rate…
45/86 | 52% S/R | +£46.96 BFLSP – Win & Place 68/86 | 79% S/R
I don’t know about you guys but having an angle that was striking at above 50% taken away from you in the toughest races to fathom from a form perspective (bumpers) is pretty damn gutting!
If you look at the Gordon Elliott/Gigginstwon axis (Elliott has by far and away the largest number of the Gigginstown horses and looks likely to be the main beneficiary of the Mullins split) you get a very different picture…
191/956 | 20% S/R | -£61.86 BFLSP – Win & Place 397/956 | 42% S/R

A lower strike-rate and a fairly hefty level stakes loss on all runners.
Obviously this is a bit of a generic overview of things and is no way indicative of Elliott’s talents as a trainer, far from it, but from our point of view (the everyday punter) the Mullins/Gigginstown split does rob us of a profitable betting angle that didn’t look like slowing up any time soon.
 
i'm basing it on the look he had on his face when winning the Ryanair..i've never seen anyone so unhappy about winning a G1

its a bit similar to..oh yes they will run Vautour in the GC..will they fook..not last season nor this

you say that early season on a forum and everyone ridicules you...then its all a big surprise when he doesn't run in the GC

why run the best 2.5 miler over a trip to far when you are guaranteed a G1..doesn't make financial sense..but Ricci did not like it one little bit..he will be gone before season is out imo
 
Is it true that the yearly increase was only a total of 100k? Half an average PtP horse or a decent Handicap at Leop at Christmas?
 
Giggy save around 100k from the move, plus around four times that amount by scaring other trainers from putting up their fees.

Regarding Sandra Hughes, I gather her 'crime' was not so much to do with performance, but because she asked for some extra horses in return for keeping fees at yellow pack rates.
 
I understand WP could have his stables filled already from his preparation / pretraining yards.
It is the feeder yards may suffer for now.
Gordon Elliot got the pick of the crop as he trains in a Giggi built yard ; the others may not be race fit as quickly but only time will tell.
 
Giggi are at it according to Nov 4th edition of The Phoenix magazine.
Seemingly O'Leary recently wrote to many amateur jockeys telling them he would not pay them for riding his p2p ers but would give them a 500 Euro bonus for every winner ridden. The top riders JJ Codd/ Derek O Connor are not too impressed with this according to the article.
A lot of Giggi Bumper horses lately have been ridden by 5 and 7 pound claimers which makes you wonder if a similar policy applies to the Bumper horses and begs the question how the big amateur races at The Festival will pan out.
 
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