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Haldon Gold Cup

FFS, EC1....come on.....you are reading far too much into this.

Stating a particular race is poor in a historical context, or stating that it holds no interest, ARE opinions - and legitimate ones at that. It does NOT mean that the thread isn't worthy of discussion, or that there is something wrong with you for starting it in the first place. No-one is trying to suppress anyone else's voice, and - I can't stress this enough - there is no-one sat there lurking, just waiting to 'get you' whenever you post.

You need to get over the fact that people are different, and will react to threads in different ways. Some will be interested, others not so. That is a fact of life.

Clearly, you get deeply involved in reviewing races every day - because your personal circumstances demand it. I suspect you are probably quite unique in that regard insofar as the membership here goes, but you don't appear to account for it. You appear to think everyone should have the same level of interest as you, and anyone who doesn't, is somehow being detrimental to the forum. It isn't the case.

As far as keeping this forum going is concerned, I make my own contribution - whether it be through posting, sponsoring the Ante-Post competition (I think this is the 5th year I've done so), or occasionally remitting money to Admin for the upkeep of the site. This latter aspect is something I would have preferred to keep between myself and Colin, however, I'm not going to site here and be told that I'm part of the problem, when I know it's otherwise.

I trust this clarifies my position.
 
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Christ a thread like this is really going to get more people involved in the forum. Can we not just chill out. Someone puts a thread up, people will engage if they want to. It makes no difference who is starting the thread or who is adding to it.

A lot of people on here don't have the time for essay writing. The forum should be a place you can dip in and out of, not somewhere you have to live and constantly wonder about your contribution.

As for the race itself i would guess that the majority would look at it and think....thats a pish race and spend no more than 5 mins looking at it. Good luck to those that have the time to spend longer on it.
 
My thoughts exactly. Constantly berating people for not having the time or inclination to post more often is unlikely to encourage more contributions in fact the opposite


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Digger said:
As for the race itself i would guess that the majority would look at it and think....thats a pish race and spend no more than 5 mins looking at it. Good luck to those that have the time to spend longer on it.
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I look at the race because it tends to be reasonably informative at what is a relatively early stage in the season for me. I wouldn't scan/skim it and decide how good it was from that cursory kind of approach.

I am happy to spend an hour or so on the race (I am fortunate enough to have the time) before deciding how good or otherwise it is.

I did notice straight away that it didn't have much in the way of established quality, especially with DB apparently in decline, but I reckoned there was an unusual level of potential in the line-up and that grabbed my attention - that and the prospect of the two market leaders being very poor value.

That's a major attraction to the race for me.

Now watch GLV beat DB into second with PAC and D failing to finish :confused:
 
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FFS, EC1....come on.....you are reading far too much into this.

Stating a particular race is poor in a historical context, or stating that it holds no interest, ARE opinions - and legitimate ones at that. It does NOT mean that the thread isn't worthy of discussion, or that there is something wrong with you for starting it in the first place. No-one is trying to suppress anyone else's voice, and - I can't stress this enough - there is no-one sat there lurking, just waiting to 'get you' whenever you post.

You need to get over the fact that people are different, and will react to threads in different ways. Some will be interested, others not so. That is a fact of life.

Clearly, you get deeply involved in reviewing races every day - because your personal circumstances demand it. I suspect you are probably quite unique in that regard insofar as the membership here goes, but you don't appear to account for it. You appear to think everyone should have the same level of interest as you, and anyone who doesn't, is somehow being detrimental to the forum. It isn't the case.

As far as keeping this forum going is concerned, I make my own contribution - whether it be through posting, sponsoring the Ante-Post competition (I think this is the 5th year I've done so), or occasionally remitting money to Admin for the upkeep of the site. This latter aspect is something I would have preferred to keep between myself and Colin, however, I'm not going to site here and be told that I'm part of the problem, when I know it's otherwise.

I trust this clarifies my position.
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I know people are different..i don't expect people to have the same interest level as i do..this isn't about that at all

level of interest in a race is deemed by when its run imo..its a quiet Tuesday in November..its not a saturday where this race would not get a mention probably..thats the point..for a weekday race its a stand out..neither you nor Euro have appreciated that imo.

the similarity with the other thread is there..and imo..both threads look like.."wtf you started a thread about a sh1t race for?"

you see..thats how it came across when i saw those deja vu posts..and so prompted that post i made.

you say making negative comments is valid..and i think my response was valid also...and i also think you are reading too much into what you think i want from folk..i personally..don't want anything

i don't particularly want anyone to bother if they don't want..its purely up to people IF they want a forum..hence the thread i started about looking after it.

I didn't start that thread for MY benefit..although when you read some of the posts on it..you would think it was

If this board weren't here..i'd still do what i do..i wouldn't lose anything..but i will guarantee you that many people would,...,people who come and read everyday and rely on a few people to keep them entertained..maybe give them some ideas..win them a bit money hopefully..follow a race for months etc

the same people that just read..would be the first to say if board weren't here.."oh thats a shame".."i'll miss that"..well that thread i started was to try and prevent that being said..people just let things go..then when its too late..wonder why...it was a thread to prevent disinterest..nothing more
 
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My thoughts exactly. Constantly berating people for not having the time or inclination to post more often is unlikely to encourage more contributions in fact the opposite


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what are you talking about?...i haven't berated anyone for not posting,,you have missed the point..learn to read properly before coming on having a dig..

looking at the replies on here..tells me that its a waste of time on here for me..all i have done is try to add interest and encourage people to take part...ffs anyone would think its for my benefit..and its deemed a negative on my behalf..fookin hell anyone would think i'm encouraging folk to commit suicide or summat

fook it then...if this is how people respond to someone trying to do some good here..fook the lot of you
 
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EC1 said:
what are you talking about?...i haven't berated anyone for not posting,,you have missed the point..learn to read properly before coming on having a dig..

looking at the replies on here..tells me that its a waste of time on here for me..all i have done is try to add interest and encourage people to take part...ffs anyone would think its for my benefit..and its deemed a negative on my behalf..fookin hell anyone would think i'm encouraging folk to commit suicide or summat

fook it then...if this is how people respond to someone trying to do some good here..fook the lot of you
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You need to take yourself out for a long walk... buy yourself a dog. Could be the best investment you will ever make. Infact i'd bet on it.
 
"level of interest in a race is deemed by when its run imo..its a quiet Tuesday in November..its not a saturday where this race would not get a mention probably..thats the point..for a weekday race its a stand out..neither you nor Euro have appreciated that imo."

The level of interest in a race is NOT deemed by when it is run. "Interest" is a personal thing, and it's therefore wholly down to the individual to decide whether a race is "interesting" to not. It has nothing to do with what day it is run, or if it is the best of a bad bunch on a quiet race day. If the individual has no interest, it cannot be fabricated.

Where this is the case, the individual is left with a choice. Either the individual doesn't comment on the thread at all, or the individual comments that the race holds no interest, and gives the reasons why.

One the one hand, you want to encourage people to post, so option 1 above is presumably not in favour with you. But it's also clear that you don't like option 2 very much either. So what then? Do you only want people to post on threads where they have a definite interest in the subject matter? If so, that would basically mean that you were looking to police content, which I can't believe is the case.

As viking suggests, your contributions on this thread are potentially more damaging (in terms of encouraging others to post), than anything else. Who is going to post a contradictory reply to one of your posts, if this is the kind of engagement they can expect in return?

I think the Haldon isn't a very good race this season. You think it is. It could easily have been left at that.


 
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Yeah, I think there's a few of us queuing up for a pint after viewing this top-level entertainment. 12.30 at the Barley Mow on Horseferry Road, London?
 
EC1 said:
what are you talking about?...i haven't berated anyone for not posting,,you have missed the point..learn to read properly before coming on having a dig..

looking at the replies on here..tells me that its a waste of time on here for me..all i have done is try to add interest and encourage people to take part...ffs anyone would think its for my benefit..and its deemed a negative on my behalf..fookin hell anyone would think i'm encouraging folk to commit suicide or summat

fook it then...if this is how people respond to someone trying to do some good here..fook the lot of you
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Clown
 
I'm going for Dodging Bullets, the name is perfect given the way this thread is going.

The big negative is last season. He missed the first half of it and his form when he did make it back to the track was mediocre. There's also a history of stepping up from his first run of the season.

On the other hand he's still young enough for a chaser, has been dropped 8lbs by the handicapper from his peak, his stable are in flying form and there's no standout horse in the opposition. So at 9/2 I'm prepared to back him.
 
I've gone for GLV and Presenting Arms in the comp, logic being no value in DB as a horse on the wane and running first time out. If its class tells it wins, but that's a big enough if to swerve it.

GLV has won every chase completed - of course Fs being a negative, but this less competitive and has also won at this time of year several times including FTO and last month (albeit over hurdles) suggesting may be in good order. At this time of year I prefer something which has had a decent run or record of early success in past.

That's mainly why I prefer Presenting to some of the others. It had a decent Cheltenham run finishing second by a whisker staying on whereas Pain au Choc hasn't had a run nor won FTO, ditto Sir Valentino.

Dresden has some form and a run, Ultragold too but prefer Presenting to either of them.

Purple and Gold is interesting as has been placed a couple of times at this time of year and never seems to take a break so patterns a bit hidden (to me anyway). Bottom weight, Pipe horse, couple of mediocre recent runs in a hurdle and over longer trip... might be a bit under the radar at the price. If I were there I'd look at the price and bung a couple of quid on a place on the Tote

But then again if such gambles paid off more often I'd be off there in my helicopter to do just that, rather than rambling this in my lunch break...


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For what it's worth re the rows and feuding - I've been away for a while, having in the past been more active in the Neigh days, and it's great to read a bit of narky bitterness and sniping - just like the old days. Reminds me of a bunch of old feckers after one too many - a welcome antidote to the smarmy homogeneity of much of social
Media - more bitterness and fewer emojis all round, I say


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Dodging Bullets was shocking last season-It is purely guesswork but I could see Nicholls having him ready today -his race to win.
 
2.20 - Exeter - Sir Valentino. 1 pt e/w. Available at 12/1.
Dodging Bullets and Garde La Victoire are the class of this race and both drop into handicap company over fences for the first time. Dodging Bullets usually improves for his first run of the season and Garde La Victoire has fallen on his last two starts as a Chaser so both have questions to answer. The latter is preferred of the two having won over hurdles on his reappearance and reportedly schooled well. However he is short enough at prices of 2/1 and lower and a chance is given to Sir Valentino who could make the frame at least. He may not be as classy as his illustrious opponents at the head of the market but he is progressive having improved 25 pounds in a 16 run career as a Chaser. He has been well beaten on his last two starts but he seemed to find the trip too far in the Summer Plate at Market Rasen and the other came over hurdles. Prior to that he was a facile winner over 19 furlongs at Market Rasen on good ground from a six pound lower mark than he runs from today. Nearly all his outings over fences have been around two miles but this stiff extended 17 furlongs could prove ideal and may illicit the improvement he needs to get competitive.
 
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am struggling with this..presenting arms.. doesn't seem to show best on stiff tracks in any consistent way..Pain o chocolate seems to struggle when racing for this sort of prize.,ticks in other boxes,sir Valentino..poorish when racing for this sort of £..but has ticks in other boxes

so many negatives..probably something will win by default

i might just dutch Pain O Chocolate + Sir Valentino..who both only really fail on £ ...but.. either may improve to defy that

any views on this decent race on a November tuesday?
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not bad for a "clown"

the "laugh" might be on the clown caller

well done Ricko..happy days
 
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2.20 - Exeter - Sir Valentino. 1 pt e/w. Available at 12/1.
Dodging Bullets and Garde La Victoire are the class of this race and both drop into handicap company over fences for the first time. Dodging Bullets usually improves for his first run of the season and Garde La Victoire has fallen on his last two starts as a Chaser so both have questions to answer. The latter is preferred of the two having won over hurdles on his reappearance and reportedly schooled well. However he is short enough at prices of 2/1 and lower and a chance is given to Sir Valentino who could make the frame at least. He may not be as classy as his illustrious opponents at the head of the market but he is progressive having improved 25 pounds in a 16 run career as a Chaser. He has been well beaten on his last two starts but he seemed to find the trip too far in the Summer Plate at Market Rasen and the other came over hurdles. Prior to that he was a facile winner over 19 furlongs at Market Rasen on good ground from a six pound lower mark than he runs from today. Nearly all his outings over fences have been around two miles but this stiff extended 17 furlongs could prove ideal and may illicit the improvement he needs to get competitive.
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Will that do for you EC1? ;)
 
yes Ricko..a proper reply and outcome..you a top lad


it might have been a "below par" race..but the money back is the same as if it were full of top notchers...a few on this thread will be highly disappointed..never mind..choke it back eh?

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be a pin dropper on here now.."oooh i've no time to post..although i always find time to jump on the kick EC bandwagon".

eat it..to those who only post in a negative way towards me..up yours viking and treffich or whatever your name is..both of you fit that category...no time for either of you or others with same tendencies

i'll take that new dog for a walk now Digger:)
 
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ping..you can hear a pin drop now..isn't it sickening?..Viking...Treffuckitch..you both very quick with the knife..both dislike a username on a messageboard..for no real reason..bar bias..is that how you are in real life..take against someone for no reason?

I'd keep the board supplied with winners and analysis now eh?...because its people like you 2 that drive good posters away..and like it or not..i'm one of the best you will come across..sorry to have to say that..its not my nature ..unless i'm dealing with such as you two

i hate people with biases..based on nothing done wrong...a lot of it about though isn't there?

you two..and such like you..destroy boards eventually

i'd start getting some winners posted..there is a void to fill

good luck with it..you will need it based on what i've seen of the pair of you
 
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EC1, in what way do you think posts like the above, will help you achieve your stated aim of keeping the board busy?

In one post, you are vigorously encouraging people to post, and in the next you are telling Members to go fu*ck themselves (metaphorically speaking).

It's a schizophrenic attitude to have.
 
EC1 said:
ping..you can hear a pin drop now..isn't it sickening?..Viking...Treffuckitch..you both very quick with the knife..both dislike a username on a messageboard..for no real reason..bar bias..is that how you are in real life..take against someone for no reason?

I'd keep the board supplied with winners and analysis now eh?...because its people like you 2 that drive good posters away..and like it or not..i'm one of the best you will come across..sorry to have to say that..its not my nature ..unless i'm dealing with such as you two

i hate people with biases..based on nothing done wrong...a lot of it about though isn't there?

you two..and such like you..destroy boards eventually

i'd start getting some winners posted..there is a void to fill

good luck with it..you will need it based on what i've seen of the pair of you
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There really is no need for any of this stuff.

We always have a Neigh meet up at the Cheltenham meetings. I tell you now there wouldn't be many at a Talking Horses meet up.
 

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