Irish Hennessy

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Lynch riding to orders
the horse doesnt stay but the only chance for him today was to lead
his jumping was killed


as they dont want to run in the Ryan Air, they have to bypass Cheltenham then
 
chroniclandlord said:
Don't think he would have won in any case, but it didn't look the smartest thing to do,
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I think he might have won, the winning margin was tight enough, and that pull after the 2nd last cost Flemenstar a couple of lengths. On the other hand the winner might have found more.

There's no doubt Lynch was riding to orders but good jockeys have to able to deal with situations as they find them. It's one thing to hold onto a horse and wait, and another to pull him back, causing him to lose momentum and then ask him a few seconds later to start regaining the ground he's been made to surrender.

In any case there's no point going for the Gold Cup with him.
 
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so if they decide champion chase with flem & sizing europe also turns up there. who does lynch ride?

i hope those two and cue card all turn up for it. and then sprinter sacre can demolish them and attain a mark of 190 :)
 
What a non race that was . Why nullify Flemenstar's biggest asset - the ground he gains at his fences .

Bizarre tactics
 
JamesRB said:
so if they decide champion chase with flem & sizing europe also turns up there. who does lynch ride?

i hope those two and cue card all turn up for it. and then sprinter sacre can demolish them and attain a mark of 190 :)
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I know who he should ride but I think he would do the opposite
 
That would be a blessing - a proper jockey for Flemenstar - with something between his ears is required .
 
Grasshopper said:
Identical to the Lexus.

Let's hope he gets to oppose the Aeroplane.
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Every chance Grassy the trainers a f*ckwit which is a good start.

They said he didn't stay last time because they restrained him so what does he tell the jockey to do? Hold him up?

I'd send the horse to PN and run him in the Ryanair where he belongs before they really mess the horse up
 
I know its easy to sneer at connections, but Im not sure that they have done anything wrong by the horse this year.

They gave the horse a second chance to prove that he was a Gold Cup horse (while looking to win Grade 1s) and I think if Lynch went sooner today he would still have finished second or more than likely to have knocked the guts out of the horse in trying to hang on and win.

The horse simply doesn't stay. I don't think that the way he is ridden has anything to do with it. A clever ride may get his head in front in a grade 1 3m someday if things fall his way, but in a fact-finding mission about his Cheltenham target, I dont think connections could do much more.

I thought he was coming back underneath Lynch in the John Durkan and I think that's what has happened the last twice. They have removed the doubts about this before the festival. They can now decide what to do. I don't see any issue with missing QM or Ryanair, Aintree, Punchestown end of the season.
 
Tanlic said:
Every chance Grassy the trainers a f*ckwit which is a good start.

They said he didn't stay last time because they restrained him so what does he tell the jockey to do? Hold him up?

I'd send the horse to PN and run him in the Ryanair where he belongs before they really mess the horse up
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I can remember similar comments about Henry de Bromhead and Sizing Europe after his hurdling career went wrong.
 
Grey said:
There's no doubt Lynch was riding to orders but good jockeys have to able to deal with situations as they find them. It's one thing to hold onto a horse and wait, and another to pull him back, causing him to lose momentum and then ask him a few seconds later to start regaining the ground he's been made to surrender.
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He went on after the second last in the Lexus and the horse was run down on the run-in. Today he produced him from the back of the last and he couldn't go past. I'm not sure Lynch did anything wrong today; Flemenstar just isn't a staying chaser.

For what it's worth, Sir Des Champs is my idea of the Gold Cup winner, though his jumping wasn't entirely fluent again today.
 
Beating a non-stayer a couple of lengths wouldn't come close to Gold Cup form imho, and the race looks a fairly cut and dried contest between Bobs Worth and Silviniaco Conti, with Long Run to pick up the crumbs behind the better jumpers.
 
That only really rings true if you think TB is the same horse at 3m as he is at 3m2f, hezz.

I think reet's point about TB is that he is a better horse - or capable of better form - the further he goes, hence his being somewhat cool on SDC's Gold Cup chance on the strength of the Lexus.......and to be perfectly honest, I'm not convinced that SDC, in winning yesterday, hugely enhanced his credentials for the Blue Riband anyway.

It's between Bob's Worth, Silviniaco Conti and Long Run for me.....with strong preference for the first-named.
 
LUKE said:
I can remember similar comments about Henry de Bromhead and Sizing Europe after his hurdling career went wrong.
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No doubt you did and I'm sure Henry de Bromhead would like to strangle Sizing Europe's owner at times.

What we have here is a trainer and an owner who between them think they have the best horse in the world and he can do anything.

One thinks he can win the Gold Cup while the other thinks he can beat Sprinter Sacre.:rolleyes:

The problem is they have one helluva good horse and they can't see common sense. That combined with the fact neither has had anything a tenth as good as Flemenstar they're like a couple of lost sheep not knowing where to turn next.

Maybe by some freak the horse will win the QMCC even Arkle got beat but no one in their right mind would be talking QMCC with a horse who's best distance is clearly 2m4f. It's hard enough to win a race at Cheltenham without taking a horse who might well become the greatest steeplechaser of all time and I don't say that lightly.

People are pointing the finger at Lynch but it was him who suggested had they let him do his own thing he would have seen out the 3 miles in the Lexus.

Obviously someone disagreed with him.

I backed Flemenstar heavily at 7/4 for the race. This is not sour grapes as some might think, because when it was obvious he was not going to be allowed to do what Lynch had suggested the second he went odds on in running I greened up and did very well out of the race.

Just listening to Casey in a recent interview he scoffed when asked about the Hennessy.....his body language his face said it all he thinks the owner is an idiot....the owners in good company if you ask me.

We are talking about a trainer who had the grand total of 2.9 winners each season for the past 5 years if you take away the 8 races Flemenstar has won.

I am being very harsh when I say he should move the horse. That's an easy thing to do if there are no close contacts between owner and trainer but if he's a close friend then you got into together so you stay in it together and possibly that's the case here.

I wish them luck I just hope they see sense and listen to others who seem to be all saying Ryanair
 
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Grasshopper said:
That only really rings true if you think TB is the same horse at 3m as he is at 3m2f, hezz.

I think reet's point about TB is that he is a better horse - or capable of better form - the further he goes, hence his being somewhat cool on SDC's Gold Cup chance on the strength of the Lexus.......and to be perfectly honest, I'm not convinced that SDC, in winning yesterday, hugely enhanced his credentials for the Blue Riband anyway.

It's between Bob's Worth, Silviniaco Conti and Long Run for me.....with strong preference for the first-named.
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Hard to disagree with the man if form (Well done btw) I agree with what you are saying and tbh Flemenstar should have put the race to bed 3 out yesterday when he was screaming to go faster. Lynch no doubt under instruction to hold him up for as long as possible gave SDC way too much time to get into top gear instead of going for home.

I reckon SDC could win a Gold Cup if it were a slog but he takes abit too long to go from one gear to another for my liking.

I'm not sure about Conti though...maybe I'm struggling to believe that after Denman and Kauto retired that PN can suddenly find another Gold Cup winner.

At the start of the season I think everyone expected big things from the Irish but with Last Instalment injured Bog Warrior going hurdling and Flemenstar not staying we are left with the horse I would have considered 4th in the Irish pecking list.

I don't see much difference now between this gold cup and last years and I'd say most likley one of the tree you mention will win it.....but Imperial Commander might fook you up for the tricast;)
 
Tidal Bay was ran over in the Wotld Hurdle a few years ago. Can't see any reason why he'd win it now.
 
Everything bar one horse has been run over in the WH for the last few years. He wouldn't be running in it if BB was fit.
 
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