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Grey said:
I'm not talking about the betting angle. I'm asking why was he taken over to Ireland, out of the jurisdiction of the UK racing authorities, in mid-season. Some recoveries from muscle injuries are a lot quicker than others, especially if helped by artificial means.
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Behave yourself :lol: He went to Irelend because JP wanted John Halley the best vet in the British Isles to check him out. Aiden O'Brien also uses the man. By the time he got there and went through all the tests they couldn't find a thing wrong with him and sent him back.

I should mention one of the drugs you could be referring to is dexamethasone which is a banned substance used to clear up allergies but it is not illegal to treat a horse with it.

When it was found in Binocular's sytem Nicky inform the BHA and they tested the horse. There were still traces in his sytem so he was withdrawn.

Nicky wanted to make sure no one could say he had done anything untoward and had the full backing of the BHA.

The other incident created quite an uproar when they found that blood clotting agent in the Queens horse. Women take that very same drug when they have very heavy periods. One gold cup winner was on it.an Irish horse and the BHA were told and did nothing.

It has been widely argued by trainers that m any of these medicines branded with the ugly name drugs should in fact be legalized.

You take for example an owner spends $250,000 and buys a NH horse which many do. He finds out the horse bursts blood vessels and he can't have his horse run on a medicine to prevent it. That is bad for business. The BHA actually said they were going to take a closer look at these medicines and perhaps allow some to be used but what became of it I have no idea.
 
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What fookin history? The guy had the cleanest record in the game before he got banned for treating a sick horse with an anti bleeding medicine. Hardy fookin Dermot Browne is he?

You going to make a scything statement like that have something to back it up with ffs
 
It wasn't just one horse involved though, was it? The enquiry found that it had been going on as a matter of routine and a vet got disqualified for ten years.
 
Tanlic said:
He went to Irelend because JP wanted John Halley the best vet in the British Isles to check him out. Aiden O'Brien also uses the man. By the time he got there and went through all the tests they couldn't find a thing wrong with him and sent him back.
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I think there is a lot more to it than that. I'd doubt if even NH knows.
 
I find it very interesting that the same horse who made a miraculous recovery a few years ago to win a Champion Hurdle after being moved abroad for treatment, was pulled out of the race the following year because steroids hadn't cleared in time. Of course we were told that this was for a superficial reason (to clear spots around his neck) but I find it very similar to Lance Armstrong getting a cert to clear saddle sores.

And then we have his employment of a vet who was struck off for 10 years. It is strange that a vet would take risks like that.

And the vet in question, James Main, has hinted that giving Moonlit Path a "pre-race check" was actually seen as a euphamism for treating a horse pre-race with substances including tranexamic acid, and that he did this for more than one of his "training clients" regularly.

And then we have the Heather Royal case, where another horse tested positive for a glucocortisoid.

At the very best, we can say that Tricky Nicky is a bit thick, and that he doesn't monitor his vets and keep medical records very well. I still think that he has enough grey areas in his history to merit a discussion, but that is probably not a popular opinion. He certainly did a good job of portraying the "thick country gentleman" image when the cases came out in 09/10/11.
 
Bar the Bull said:
I find it very interesting that the same horse who made a miraculous recovery a few years ago to win a Champion Hurdle after being moved abroad for treatment, was pulled out of the race the following year because steroids hadn't cleared in time. Of course we were told that this was for a superficial reason (to clear spots around his neck) but I find it very similar to Lance Armstrong getting a cert to clear saddle sores.

And then we have his employment of a vet who was struck off for 10 years. It is strange that a vet would take risks like that.

And the vet in question, James Main, has hinted that giving Moonlit Path a "pre-race check" was actually seen as a euphamism for treating a horse pre-race with substances including tranexamic acid, and that he did this for more than one of his "training clients" regularly.

And then we have the Heather Royal case, where another horse tested positive for a glucocortisoid.

At the very best, we can say that Tricky Nicky is a bit thick, and that he doesn't monitor his vets and keep medical records very well. I still think that he has enough grey areas in his history to merit a discussion, but that is probably not a popular opinion. He certainly did a good job of portraying the "thick country gentleman" image when the cases came out in 09/10/11.
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Good post - I hope Binocular is drugged up to his eye balls this year.
 
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