ISIS...Islamic State Victims
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but ISIS are in effect at war with..is it everyone?..can't see how the word revenge even comes into it...if you declare war on someone..as ISIS have in effect done..then you will get casualties
don't see how revenge comes into it tbh
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They particularly wanted to get this guy because of his grotesque behaviour in those videos. They specifically targeted him, did they not?
It seems to me a bit like taking out Lord Haw Haw instead of Hitler, a propaganda coup rather than a strategic blow against the enemy?
It seems to me a bit like taking out Lord Haw Haw instead of Hitler, a propaganda coup rather than a strategic blow against the enemy?
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no matter when they got him it would seem like a propaganda coup if you wanted to view it like that. Lord Haw Haw spouted sh1te..this critter was cold blooded monster
best get him rather than not though surely
he was always going to be a target after those videos..its only same as that other brit they got a while back..he made himself a particular target by appearing in videos. What do you expect to happen to high profile ones Grey?..of course its going to hit the headlines..thats how the game works..how the press report it is up to them. Should they not have targetted him then in your view..did he not deserve special attention?..he must have wanted that attention by appearing in the videos
its a bit like saying that locking Lee Rigby killers up is an act of revenge...just done for propaganda.. isn't it?
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Oh they'll definitely attack him, Clivex..if he's fortunate enough to remain as leader until 2020.
They've no reason to be overly harsh this early on. There's nothing to gain from it at this time.
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they don't need to attack him Clive..he scores own goals most weeks...defence being the main one. He comes across as a happy hippy type from the 60's preaching love and peace..yes we all want that..but the problem for that mindset is ..lots of people in the world don't want that..its just fatally flawed. its not much good looking after the sick and elderly whilst letting all and sundry attack and take over your country. He has no defence priority..hence people in the main won't feel safe..he doesn't want weapons and doesn't appear to want an army..fair enough..he's a pacifist..he can be that..but not as a prime minister he can't
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We all know even if Labour had put in one of the other candidates they had as possible leaders (Cooper, Kendall, Burnham), they were probably even more nailed on to lose in 2020.
They had a choice of losing whilst agreeing with the government for the next five years (Clivex's preferred this), or have a go saying the complete opposite and seeing where it gets you.
I'd admire the courage of the party for really going for a leader they thought was a true Labour man though.
They made a ballsy decision, but the voters usually play it safe these days...that's the problem.
Most voters aren't political die hards, they want common sense, run-of-the-mill, politicans who lead consensus...not those standing miles from the consensus and challenging it....This is Jeremy Corbyns biggest challenge.
I wish him all the best. Its a big ask.
They had a choice of losing whilst agreeing with the government for the next five years (Clivex's preferred this), or have a go saying the complete opposite and seeing where it gets you.
I'd admire the courage of the party for really going for a leader they thought was a true Labour man though.
They made a ballsy decision, but the voters usually play it safe these days...that's the problem.
Most voters aren't political die hards, they want common sense, run-of-the-mill, politicans who lead consensus...not those standing miles from the consensus and challenging it....This is Jeremy Corbyns biggest challenge.
I wish him all the best. Its a big ask.
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EC1
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i agree that they are more like a proper labour party now Marb...rather than the pseudo tory party they have been....but that shouldn't mean leaving the country defenceless..no way will people A,,vote for a split party..which they clearly are..or B...a party that won't keep them safe...the rest is just trimmings as its worthless having anything if you aren't safe
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It'll certainly be a good thing if all the misguided in this country who will now view Emwazi as a martyr decide to crawl off and replace him; but for every one of those newly energized by the martydom there are likely to be x more somewhat less energized happy to wreak havoc here at home
I'm not trying to pour cold water on this superficially good news; it's certainly a victory for propaganda that gives us fleeting satisfaction but as you yourself wrote Amwazi was no more than a single tea leaf in the chest
Regarding what is likely to be near-instantaneous death. I'm not one who believes in the maxim 'eye for an eye tooth for a tooth' so do not regret that he didn't suffer a lingering painful death. To wish such would be to align ourselves with the vile practices of ISIL
what happened after a far more high profile figure was shot in Pakistan? was alquaeda energised?
were there reprisal attacks in the uk? Obviously no one wants to talk too soon but you can't have in both ways
Yer everyday wannabe jihadist may not be able to relate to someone whose position in the cause they admire is lofty. 'I couldn't replace him' but may be able to relate to a mere footsoldier 'I could replace him, he could have been me'
It's all guesswork Clivex, I'm not sure about anything: to quote someone or other - 'the more I see the less I believe'
About halfway down this page, there is an aerial photograph
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805924
Assuming these are genuine, is there something that perhaps I'm not getting here?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805924
Assuming these are genuine, is there something that perhaps I'm not getting here?
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totally wrong
true labour man? Who votes continually against his party and hires advisors who campaigned against labour? Are you serious? Is the most extreme hard right mp on the tory side "true conservative"?
Voters rs the problem? For not wanting Venezuelan economics ? Not wanting terrorist supprters who despise the British, in the cabinet? Uncontrolled immigration? Sky high taxes? Hostility to enterprise?
What at do you mean "these days". ? Voters have ALWAYS rejected hard left labour leaders. Foot was hammered and he was nothing like as exterme as this lot
challenging consensus? Admire the bnp too then ? On that basis? All this lot do is serve up failed old 80s trot prejudices and laughable failed economics stuck in the failed past.
There is no way on earth that labour "we're more nailed on to lose" under cooper say. That has already been polled but is frankly abolsute garbage. For a start she is smart, capable and certainly grounded. Corbyn is thick incompetent and ina dream world
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What is it about the aerial shot that is troubling you?
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Excellent news also that Sinjar is liberated.
This day gets only better.
It is little comfort to the thousands of Yazidi women sexually enslaved by IS, and their menfolk massacred, but .............
And goes to show that IS can be defeated on the ground in a firefight.
Well done Peshmerga.
This day gets only better.
It is little comfort to the thousands of Yazidi women sexually enslaved by IS, and their menfolk massacred, but .............
And goes to show that IS can be defeated on the ground in a firefight.
Well done Peshmerga.
Well if I had control of an airforce, and had nicely laid out buildings labelled 'Islamic State HQ' (where the leadership might meet) and 'Islamic State Courts' I might just be thinking they look architecturally stunning, good job I haven't bombed them. They could of course be library shots and the whole lot lies in rubble, one would rather like to hope they are
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It's a file photograph with the indentifier labels attached by the "Raqqa Is Being Silently Slaughtered" underground group, and posted by them on Twitter earlier today.
On September 3rd Clive clearly had his TH account hacked and posted this in response to a picture of a dead infant washed up on a Turkish beach
"Personally I wish we could take more without the consequences of encouraging further migrants. We certainly can do so despite what ukip and so on might say."
It's really a question of direction of travel I'm afraid. This cross and crescent thing doesn't mix very well. I think we might be able to shore it up a bit longer, but ultimately the natural conclusion is a much more global conflict.
Last week it was 250 Russians, yesterday it expanded to a Shia neighbourhood in Lebanon, today it's the French again.
"Personally I wish we could take more without the consequences of encouraging further migrants. We certainly can do so despite what ukip and so on might say."
It's really a question of direction of travel I'm afraid. This cross and crescent thing doesn't mix very well. I think we might be able to shore it up a bit longer, but ultimately the natural conclusion is a much more global conflict.
Last week it was 250 Russians, yesterday it expanded to a Shia neighbourhood in Lebanon, today it's the French again.
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