July Cup

People thought they were daft to put Moorestyle back to 6f after he was a running on 2nd in the French Guineas - he promptly won the July Cup , the Abbaye, the Challenge and the Foret.
 
i've already stated its horses that have run for a good while at a distance Ardross..I know lots of failed 3yo milers dropped back..I know :p

no one has yet answered about the type of training regime PB will have had to get him to win at a mile..and how relative to winning tomorrow that training will have been though

we can have this discussion every week nearly..last week conduit..this week PB

when F&G runs the abbaye we will probably go again;)
 
Moorestyle wasn't a failed miler - there are some sprinter milers that are terrifically versatile and Paco Boy may be one of them - the following year he was third to Sharpo and Marwell in the Nunthorpe when Swinburn and Piggott raced each other and nine days later bustled up To Agori Mou in the Waterford Crystal Mile .

Then finished his career with wins in the Diadem , Challenge and Foret again

Consider also Thatch - a brilliant miler who bolted up in both the July Cup and Sussex .
 
Royal Academy is another a top class sprinter/miler - I still think he would have caught Dayjur in the Sprint Cup had Reid not made such a horlicks of the race.
 
and Paco Boy may be one of them

I agree

but my argument is that it is a bit late in the day...why train him for a mile..then go 6f?...why not start off this year with a sprint regime?

he was viewed as a specialist 7f horse..so they wanted further to open options up..totally understandable..but once you start stretching a horse from 7 to 8 you then suddenly go to 6..thats why I don't fancy it tomorrow.

I haven't said horses can't drop back..I am specifically saying that this decision is silly because they have only just stretched the horse out
 
Didn't Princess Haya have some top class miler a season or so ago that they dropped back to 6F's at Haydock and it got completely obliterated when he was asked to run like a sprinter again. Sent off fav I think and finished almost last never havign been able to go with the pace
 
Proclamation is the horse you're thinking of Warbler. And yep he was obliterated having looked very pacey at a mile.

Diktat and Lend A Hand dropped back in trip significantly too IIRC
 
I think this is a case of who is the best horse on the day, and who handles the track the best.

The best horse in the race is without doubt Scenic Blast. He has also proven himself up to a mile, running 2nd to Weekend Hussler in the Group 1 Caulfield Guineas 2 years ago as a 3yo. However whether he handles the undulating rises of Newmarket is another.

Not sure about Takeover Target, but would love to see him get up for Joe Janiak. He and Scenic Blast have been working well together in track work. Though the younger has been giving him the edge.
 
Grand Armee said:
I think this is a case of who is the best horse on the day, and who handles the track the best.

The best horse in the race is without doubt Scenic Blast. He has also proven himself up to a mile, running 2nd to Weekend Hussler in the Group 1 Caulfield Guineas 2 years ago as a 3yo. However whether he handles the undulating rises of Newmarket is another.

Not sure about Takeover Target, but would love to see him get up for Joe Janiak. He and Scenic Blast have been working well together in track work. Though the younger has been giving him the edge.
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Erm is Scenic Blast rated higher than Paco Boy ? I doubt he is definitely the best horse in the race .
 
Gareth Flynn said:
It was Good, Good To Firm in places yesterday, wasn't it?
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I made it +2.08 which would be consistant with that going description. I find that Newmarket probably along with Newbury tend to be the most accurate and their descriptions can be taken with a higher degree of trust than most
 
Grand Armee said:
I think this is a case of who is the best horse on the day, and who handles the track the best.

The best horse in the race is without doubt Scenic Blast.
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I have my doubts about that.

JJ's form prior to Ascot stands up to close inspection and I have him top rated here. 9/1 strikes me as incredible value. If he hadn't run at Ascot he'd be jt-fav.
 
Takeover Target looks to be as good as ever this year judged on his form prior to his run in Singapore. Missing Royal Ascot may just prove a blessing in disguise today, and on his best form 12/1 is a pretty big price about the old warrior.
 
I'm kind of puzzled by the Golden Jubilee. I've seen conflicting opinions on whether it was run very fast, which set it up for Art Connisseur, or slowly run, which meant he did well to come from way back. The run of Lesson In Humility suggests the latter, but then I also think AC was in the right place by being right on the rail.

As I said, puzzled :)
 
Looks to me from the first race going up the far side rail is going to give you an advantage wonder whether the jocks will be smart enough to take their horses up there.
 
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