Are people really still voting?Originally posted by Warbler@Mar 17 2008, 10:59 PM
Another vote for Denman I see :suspect: He might over take Kauto yet?
Heh.
Are people really still voting?Originally posted by Warbler@Mar 17 2008, 10:59 PM
Another vote for Denman I see :suspect: He might over take Kauto yet?
KS cannot do anymore than he did...in a Gold Cup...no shame in running a top figure and getting beat.
Coincidentally, I've been re-reading teh Desert Orchid story lately and there's one chapter which mentions all not being well in the run-up to a big race but connections decided not to tell anybody.Originally posted by Headstrong@Mar 18 2008, 02:28 AM
I was out and about around Lambourn tonight and was 'reliably' informed [ie just hearsay, but usually good hearsay, from someone who was at Cheltenham last week in all the right 'places'] that Kauto was mostly swimming before the GC, since he was - allegedly - possibly still feeling his injury [believed to be to his foot], and not much being worked, in the run-up. Anyone close to the yard able to comment?
It seems to me that Kauto ran a 'top figure' while running well below par, as he was still feeling the effects of his injury. If you read all the post-race comments from connections, it's becoming tempting to read between the lines and to understand the regrets for having run him at Ascot
We can still only dream of the match that might have been. I wonder if we shall ever see it now
I agree, Colin, but the 'word' was that there wasn't a problem with the foot after all. I don't know enough about these matters but I'd imagine an interrupted prep would have been more likely to affect KS in the last mile rather than the first, which was when he wasn't really firing.Originally posted by Colin Phillips@Mar 18 2008, 10:53 AM
The information about the foot injury was there for people to take on board, DO.
Agreed they made light of it but an interrupted preparation isn't ideal and it should have been factored into a punter's calculations.
do YOU always take what connections say as gospel?
"He'd have had a couple of days off after his race anyway," stressed Nicholls, "so he's missed nothing.
Yes, tdk has been talking up Denman's chances all year.Originally posted by Colin Phillips@Mar 18 2008, 07:06 AM
"I got a good laugh out of a quote from Coral's James Knight in Friday 7th Racing Post. Asked what he would be doing on the Friday evening after Cheltenham."
Would that gentleman be a poster on here?
you missed understanding the ...in a Gold Cup bit...CliveOriginally posted by clivex@Mar 18 2008, 09:26 AM
KS cannot do anymore than he did...in a Gold Cup...no shame in running a top figure and getting beat.
Except for jump better and travel better
Phil Smith hasn`t got a fucking clue how to rate a top class chaser. How the hell did he get the job?Originally posted by Galileo@Mar 18 2008, 01:42 PM
Official handicapper has indeed rated them as he suggested:
Kauto Star 180
Neptune Collonges 178
Denman 185
Master Minded 186
It wasn`t just the pace, it was the course as well.Originally posted by clivex@Mar 18 2008, 08:59 PM
Wrong yet again
If he can jump just fine round Sandown, with those tight fences, over 2m he can cope with GC pace jumping.
From what i gather Timeform use more sophisticated handicapping techniques than this, but it'll sufficeOriginally posted by Euronymous@Mar 18 2008, 11:48 PM
I honestly thought after Kaoto Star`s brilliant win at Kempton, his demolition job at Ascot and Denman`s awesome performance last week that someone would have the balls to rate one of them ahead of Desert Orchid. Instead we get the same cop out as last year and in Timeform`s case 2005.
Originally posted by "Charlie D"
Denman beats Neptune Collognes by 16 lengths at Cheltenham, so it's only worth a rating of 181