rorydelargy
At the Start
How come a shire horse has never won the Gold Cup? Apart from Mr Mulligan, obviously.
How come a shire horse has never won the Gold Cup? Apart from Mr Mulligan, obviously.
i'll say again..it may be hard task only if you aren't built for it..a great big horse carrying weight is less difficult than a smaller horse doing it..to award both horses the same poundage added back to their rating isn't accurate at all
As Rory has kept saying, how do you know that for sure? Yes, it's going to be easier for a larger horse than a smaller one to carry weight but being larger doesn't nullify the weight difference and it has to be folly to write off the massive amount of weight being given away simply because Denman is a big horse. Similarly, doubts have been raised by others about my little mare's capability to carry 11st7lbs in a point to point, yet I know the mare well and I don't hold the same worries on that score; she's a little terrier, deceptively tough for her size and you just can't seem to bottom her.
Hang on, off levels he'd only have to be 16 lengths faster, not 26!! That's a fair bit to play around with....
same reason an elephant hasn't![]()
I know Timeform have now changed KS's rating to 165 - what do they have Denman on still?
if its still 180ish...does anyone think Denman can beat KS by 15 lengths?
Denman currently on 181 from last year's GC. Hennessy rating was 177.
That's not what the ratings suggest EC1 - they're not meant to be a prediction of future performance, for all that they are often considered just that.
It will tell you that Kauto Star could be better than his rating too. Better than fudging a rating that puts him on a v similar mark. Not their job to guess.but they are surely for future reference - if i use their ratings in future they will tell me that Denman is far superior to KS at the time i use them.
I know Timeform have now changed KS's rating to 165 - what do they have Denman on still?
if its still 180ish...does anyone think Denman can beat KS by 15 lengths?
To be fair, Steve - you probably also believe that Denman shites gold nuggets.![]()
The form of the KG is just very dubious . Long run beat a stablemate that prefers better ground, a horse that bled and has an infection, a horse that has had to have a wind op , a horse with a fibrillating heart and a horse that hates soft ground .
Whatever way you look at it the first two have run to a high standard.
Long run beat a stablemate that prefers better ground
Henderson said in the week that soft ground would not suit RT
Not if you look at it the way Ardross looks at it. Because if you look at it the way Ardross looks at it, you will see it that he "beat a stablemate that prefers better ground, a horse that bled and has an infection, a horse that has had to have a wind op, a horse with a fibrillating heart and a horse that hates soft ground "
Henderson said in the week that soft ground would not suit RT
It may not have been ideal, but he was okay on it. They also said they wouldn't take part if it was too bad for him.
Worth reiterating that they were expecting a deluge before the race which never materialised, and talk of soft ground fears were more about not wanting a slog through a swamp.