Lexus Chase

Is Nicholl's thinking trainers championship with this race planning with TB?

Needs to try and win both races to have any chance and has no obvious contender for the World Hurdle now whereas with Gold Cup he has SC.
 
Tidal Bay's problem has always been his jumping, and it's never been nearly the same problem over hurdles. Despite that, he hasn't a single career run over the smaller obstacles that suggests he's up to the class of a World Hurdle.
 
reet hard said:
Tidal Bay's problem has always been his jumping, and it's never been nearly the same problem over hurdles. Despite that, he hasn't a single career run over the smaller obstacles that suggests he's up to the class of a World Hurdle.
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Ahem!!!!!!!!!!!! He won the Cleeve Hurdle by 4 lengths Reet albeit getting a few pounds and Time for Rupert who finished 2nd ran Big Bucks to under 3 lengths in his next outing which was the World Hurdle.

Tidal Bay may not be up to winning a Big Bucks World Hurdle but there is no Big Bucks this year. What do we have? Oscar Whisky? Nicky won't run him, he doesn't stay 3 miles and it could spoil his chances of winning at Aintree again.

If he goes anywhere it will be the CH after what happened last year if anything should happen to Grandouet or/and Darlan.

Then you have Quevega who WM gave into pressure once and ran her over 2 miles and she was kicked into touch by Solwhit. I sincerely doubt if WM will even contemplate not running her in the DN again as she can't possibly be as good as she has been in the past. I can't be sure but I don't think any mare has ever one the race plus she'll be 9 years of age and she must be due to become a mum sometime soon.

No idea how Peddlers Cross is fairing, Voler La Vedette seems to have cooked her goose, Right of Passage might not get there, Monksland could be a player, couldn't trust Reve De Sivola to run the same race twice....can you help me out here I'm running out of ideas?

This World Hurdle is wide open and Tiday Bay has as good a chance as any.
 
have you tried a monacle?:lol:

Seriously though DO.... When the rest run nowhere and the 2nds stamina runs out giving him no chance of winning it becomes an egg and spoon race does it not?
 
I was merely addressing the issue regarding which horse looked the best that day. CAJ pulled his rider's arms out the whole way until they straightened up, at which point a combination of needlessly expended energy and ebbing stamina saw him fall in a hole. It wasn't a great race and I agree TB doesn't strike me as an obvious candidate for the World Hurdle. I don't want him to run in it. I want him to shorten up to a single-figure price for the Gold Cup to allow me to lay off my bet!
 
Pandorama injured himself again in the Lexus. Thankfully it isn't related to the tendon injury that kept him since March 2011, and Meade hopes to have him out again in a couple of months.
 
Hope he was ok. He showed a few flashes that said the old ability was still there. I thought he was awesome when he won the Lexus and if it ever came up soft in the Gold Cup and he was right he'd give any of them something to think about.

I wonder if the injury happened when he shot past on Tidal Bay's inside and looked for a moment he was going to come right into the race then suddenly lost ground again.
 
sunybay said:
I see it completely different
The horse should have been sent earlier
the horse gains so much ground in the jumps, that restricting him makes you lose ground and he would have put the other in trouble coming earlier and could have made some mistakes

Flemenstar was a non stayer but to see if the horse stays you have to be positive and try to profit from his top jumping
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I don't see the difference between Flemenstar and Sizing Europe in last seasons James Nicholson. Why get Sizing Europe into a fight early when you have stayers (Quito de la Rocque) behind you and a potential non-stayer (Kauto Stone) beside you? Paul Carberry enticed Andy Lynch into it that day and he fell into it.....again. Sizing Europe would have won that day with a more restrained ride. I'm convinced Flemenstar would have won with a more restrained ride too. We wouldn't have to consider an alternative like sending him on if he only held onto him a little longer. He would have won by two lengths.
 
Cantoris said:
I don't see the difference between Flemenstar and Sizing Europe in last seasons James Nicholson. Why get Sizing Europe into a fight early when you have stayers (Quito de la Rocque) behind you and a potential non-stayer (Kauto Stone) beside you? Paul Carberry enticed Andy Lynch into it that day and he fell into it.....again. Sizing Europe would have won that day with a more restrained ride. I'm convinced Flemenstar would have won with a more restrained ride too. We wouldn't have to consider an alternative like sending him on if he only held onto him a little longer. He would have won by two lengths.
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Perhaps a poor choice of words on your part Cantoris but you can't restrain a horse like Flemenstar. He's a very exuberant horse who wants to get on with things and all you achieve is for him to use valuable energy up fighting you to go that half yard further.

Sir Henry Cecil had the same problem with Frankel always wanting to go that 1/2 yard and kept him to a mile for that very reason. Once Frankel learned to settle he then stepped him up in trip.

There's a big difference between settling a horse and restraining one and if they teach Flemenstar to relax and be less exuberant without curtailing his natural talent he will get 3 miles and possibly further IMO.

As things stand the only chance he has of winning the Hennessy is to allow him to bowl along at his own pace, as he'll use up far less energy that he would fighting to go faster all the way round, which I believe is the plan anyway
 
I think you missed my point. The restraint required by Lynch is at the end of the races i.e. not moving on. Sizing Europe is happy out in front or racing up with the pace, as is Flemenstar. It's what he does at the end of the races over a difficult trip for both horses which I don't understand.
 
Mordin has just articulated what I feel about Flemenstar.

I've been saying for ages that Flemenstar won't stay three miles. But he came a lot closer to doing so than I expected here. I therefore cannot say he won't be able to win the Hennessy over the same course and distance next time. Joncol won the Hennessy off a slow pace despite failing to get home the other seven times he ran beyond 2m 6f. It could just be that a slower early pace or faster ground might well be enough to see Flemenstar score as well.
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I think it's quite possible he could get a GC trip if he settles and is ridden differently , at the price it's worth an investment.
 
Bar the Bull said:
I think learning to settle would be more helpful.

But I think that Lynch could have been more restrained and produced him after the last.

But hindsight is 20-20, so I wouldn't be too critical of the jockey.
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Nor would I. The horse was fighting for his head the whole way around.Question for me is, can Casey teach him to settle in a shortish period. He seems quite buzzy. Tidal bay could give him a nice tow into the race in a GC if the two of them where loitering at the back :)
 
He gave that horse a bad ride, should of let it go from 2 out, not restrain it
like he did and then gradually wind up the pace, he tried to turn it into
a sprint after jumping the last, IMHO he does stay the trip, running style
isnt perfectly suited at the moment, whole teams still on learning curve.
 
He gave that horse a bad ride, should of let it go from 2 out, not restrain it
like he did and then gradually wind up the pace, he tried to turn it into
a sprint after jumping the last, IMHO he does stay the trip, running style
isnt perfectly suited at the moment, whole teams still on learning curve.
 
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