Actually, I'm reminded of an Edmund Burke quote a little bit, and in truth the likes of Grey and Maruco are right on this one and stand out for their consistency and decency in trying to bring some measure to this. I think perhaps many of us should have spoken up more vocally and more frequently, but equally there's a bit of me that says what's the point. Personally, I passed the point of thinking TH was beyond redemption years ago, but accept that makes me guilty of apathy too.