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I've said it on here before but the last time there was a round of racing arrests rumoured Eddie had his bag packed and was sitting at the end of his stairs ready to go.
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I've said it on here before but the last time there was a round of racing arrests rumoured Eddie had his bag packed and was sitting at the end of his stairs ready to go.
Gamla Stan
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I strongly advise you sectional time a selection of two mile races at Lingfield including this one and then get back to me.
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Also, I think you'll find Judgethemoment has nothing to do with exchange bets as the press release eludes to.
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The jockey's "we won't get found out if we stop it from the front" attitude. As a winner of races from 5f to 3m+ Eddie Ahern is clearly a very capable judge of pace. Sadly at Lingfield he was going a shade too quick the whole way :lol:
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Exactly! This is a man who's won a Northumberland Plate and a Chester Cup on a front runner. He should be able to judge pace over 2 miles, unless he didn't want to this day.
Tanlic
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I think the first section relates to Neil Clement being accused of laying Judgethemoment Stan. The others and Clement are charged with laying Stoneacre Gareth at least that's the way I read it.
No matter what we think and how good a judge of pace we know him to be they would get torn apart by Aherns lawyers if the only evidence was a recording of the race when he went off to quick.
We'd be banning jockeys every day if giving a horse a bad ride was an offence.
You can say he did it deliberately until you are blue in the face but when he was passed he never stopped riding the horse as the rules demand so they have no case against him unless they can prove he conspired with others for financial gain.
I am asking rather than telling as the BHA article is far from clear
No matter what we think and how good a judge of pace we know him to be they would get torn apart by Aherns lawyers if the only evidence was a recording of the race when he went off to quick.
We'd be banning jockeys every day if giving a horse a bad ride was an offence.
You can say he did it deliberately until you are blue in the face but when he was passed he never stopped riding the horse as the rules demand so they have no case against him unless they can prove he conspired with others for financial gain.
I am asking rather than telling as the BHA article is far from clear
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EC1
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to be fair..you would also have to start enquiring into jockeys who sit way back off a slow pace..as well as those that go to fast early
on the AW there are a fair few races where they go too fast early and the pace collapses..i could easily list a few recent ones
on the AW there are a fair few races where they go too fast early and the pace collapses..i could easily list a few recent ones
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This was a staggering **** take. There's no way they'll get away with the stunt they pulled.
Colin Phillips
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Jock was looking right to check how many had passed him!
The BHA won't do a thing - unless the perpetrators committed the only crime they'll pursue, and passed on information about it.
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The BHA won't do a thing - unless the perpetrators committed the only crime they'll pursue, and passed on information about it.
I wouldn't be so sure. The stewards referred both the improvement in form and the nonsense excuses for the other runners being NRs to the BHA for further investigation.
The winds seem to be changing at the BHA, they are investigating Kirby's ride on Pipers Piping a few weeks ago. This is the first time I can remember that they've ever reviewed a ride after the race itself.
It is all to be applauded.
EC1
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there was a stunner early last year..i just can't remember the name..it was Ripon or somewhere like that over 10f..the horse in question was a confirmed hold up horse..set off at 5f pace..led by miles then dropped out like a stone..next time out was ridden as usual and won when fav.
to me it was a good winning pointer and if you are monitoring a race beforehand for assumed pace and you see a horse go against all previous run style they do stand out.
to me it was a good winning pointer and if you are monitoring a race beforehand for assumed pace and you see a horse go against all previous run style they do stand out.
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Colin Phillips
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From the BBC site:
Ipswich striker Michael Chopra decides not to challenge British Horseracing Authority charges of suspicious betting activity.
"Even if I'm found innocent of the charges, the British Horseracing Authority will not refund my legal fees," he said in a statement on the club's website.
"I have extensive debts and loans and simply cannot afford the amount of money necessary to clear my name, with no prospects of ever recovering my costs.
"Furthermore, I understand that the only sanction that the British Horseracing Authority could impose on me is to ban me from racecourses and gambling establishments licensed by it. It is well publicised that I have a gambling addiction problem and I see any such sanctions as being a useful mechanism in helping me to address these problems."
Ipswich striker Michael Chopra decides not to challenge British Horseracing Authority charges of suspicious betting activity.
"Even if I'm found innocent of the charges, the British Horseracing Authority will not refund my legal fees," he said in a statement on the club's website.
"I have extensive debts and loans and simply cannot afford the amount of money necessary to clear my name, with no prospects of ever recovering my costs.
"Furthermore, I understand that the only sanction that the British Horseracing Authority could impose on me is to ban me from racecourses and gambling establishments licensed by it. It is well publicised that I have a gambling addiction problem and I see any such sanctions as being a useful mechanism in helping me to address these problems."
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From BBC site:
Footballers Chopra, Coppinger & Wilson banned from horse racing
Three footballers and jockey Andrew Heffernan have been given lengthy bans from racing after a corruption inquiry.
Ipswich's Michael Chopra and ex-Manchester United player Mark Wilson were given 10-year bans.
Heffernan is suspended for 15 years and Doncaster's James Coppinger for three years for breaching racing's rules.
They were among nine found guilty in an investigation by the British Horseracing Authority (BHA) into gambling on horses to lose.
Bans totalling 70 years were given and BHA spokesman Adam Brickell said "an elaborate network of corruption had been identified and successfully prosecuted."
Analysis
Cornelius Lysaght
BBC horse racing correspondent
"The authority's disciplinary panel concluded jockey Andrew Heffernan sold inside information and prevented mounts winning.
"Being banned does not specifically affect the footballers, who clearly don't work in the sport, and Chopra has indicated it might actually help with a gambling problem.
"It does mean Heffernan will have to find a new job as he is banned from racecourses and racing stables worldwide."
The nine races at the centre of the investigation, in which Heffernan's beaten mounts were laid to lose on betting exchanges, took place between 1 November 2010 and 31 March 2011.
Chopra, who has admitted to having a gambling problem, said he would not attend last week's hearing, which was scheduled to last 10 days, but was concluded in four.
He and the other footballers were found to have placed bets using inside information provided by Heffernan.
In some cases, thousands of pounds were staked. While Wilson made more than £14,000 profit from four bets, he also lost £12,122 in one wager when a horse he backed to be unplaced actually finished second. And similarly, Coppinger lost £1,295 from his one bet.
Heffernan, 24, was charged in relation to his riding of three horses - Wanchai Whisper (15:25 at Lingfield, 28 January 2011), Gallantry (19:20 at Kempton, 2 February 2011) and Silver Guest (13:55 at Lingfield, 9 February 2011).
A disciplinary panel ruled the jockey, who now races in Australia, did not ride the horses on their merits to obtain the best finishing position possible.
And he also communicated "to one or more betting exchange account holders information relating to the prospects in the race of that horse".
In addition to Chopra, 29, Coppinger, 31, Wilson, 33, and Heffernan, five "unlicensed individuals" were also found to have used inside information.
Chopra's agent Yogesh Joshee (five years), Paul Garner (12½), Kelly Inglis (four), Douglas Shelley (eight) and Pravin Shingadia (three) were all banned from racing.
The suspensions apply to racecourses and training yards, and prohibit any dealings with licensed individuals, which includes jockeys, trainers, owners and stable staff.
Winger Coppinger, who denied any corruption, is back at Doncaster after a loan spell with Nottingham Forest.
Chopra says he has extensive debts and could not afford to defend himself
Former Cardiff City striker Chopra, Garner, Joshee, Shelley and Wilson - who now plays for Conference North side Gainsborough Trinity - also offered bribes to Heffernan, the BHA said.
Inglis, a one-time girlfriend of Heffernan, offered to take a bribe or bribes from Chopra, Garner, Joshee, Shelley and Wilson.
Garner placed lay bets - betting on a horse not to win - on horses trained by Alan McCabe, when he was working as a stable employee for the trainer.
Chopra said before the inquiry it would cost £50,000 to defend himself which he could not afford because of extensive debts, and he would welcome a ban from racing.
"As of this year, I've voluntarily excluded myself from all betting institutions from where I live in Ipswich in order to help me fight this illness," he said.
The striker told investigators he placed a bet on Silver Guest to lose because "he overheard a couple of people he did not know in a branch of Ladbrokes in Cardiff saying that they did not think it would win."
In written reasons for their verdicts, the panel said: "That may seem a comical explanation, but it was a lie nevertheless, as the texts and a wealth of other evidence show."
An Ipswich spokesman said the case was a private matter between Chopra and the BHA.
"He has nothing further to add to that statement at this stage and wants to concentrate on an important game at Bristol City at the weekend," he said.
Footballers Chopra, Coppinger & Wilson banned from horse racing
Three footballers and jockey Andrew Heffernan have been given lengthy bans from racing after a corruption inquiry.
Ipswich's Michael Chopra and ex-Manchester United player Mark Wilson were given 10-year bans.
Heffernan is suspended for 15 years and Doncaster's James Coppinger for three years for breaching racing's rules.
They were among nine found guilty in an investigation by the British Horseracing Authority (BHA) into gambling on horses to lose.
Bans totalling 70 years were given and BHA spokesman Adam Brickell said "an elaborate network of corruption had been identified and successfully prosecuted."
Analysis
Cornelius Lysaght
BBC horse racing correspondent
"The authority's disciplinary panel concluded jockey Andrew Heffernan sold inside information and prevented mounts winning.
"Being banned does not specifically affect the footballers, who clearly don't work in the sport, and Chopra has indicated it might actually help with a gambling problem.
"It does mean Heffernan will have to find a new job as he is banned from racecourses and racing stables worldwide."
The nine races at the centre of the investigation, in which Heffernan's beaten mounts were laid to lose on betting exchanges, took place between 1 November 2010 and 31 March 2011.
Chopra, who has admitted to having a gambling problem, said he would not attend last week's hearing, which was scheduled to last 10 days, but was concluded in four.
He and the other footballers were found to have placed bets using inside information provided by Heffernan.
In some cases, thousands of pounds were staked. While Wilson made more than £14,000 profit from four bets, he also lost £12,122 in one wager when a horse he backed to be unplaced actually finished second. And similarly, Coppinger lost £1,295 from his one bet.
Heffernan, 24, was charged in relation to his riding of three horses - Wanchai Whisper (15:25 at Lingfield, 28 January 2011), Gallantry (19:20 at Kempton, 2 February 2011) and Silver Guest (13:55 at Lingfield, 9 February 2011).
A disciplinary panel ruled the jockey, who now races in Australia, did not ride the horses on their merits to obtain the best finishing position possible.
And he also communicated "to one or more betting exchange account holders information relating to the prospects in the race of that horse".
In addition to Chopra, 29, Coppinger, 31, Wilson, 33, and Heffernan, five "unlicensed individuals" were also found to have used inside information.
Chopra's agent Yogesh Joshee (five years), Paul Garner (12½), Kelly Inglis (four), Douglas Shelley (eight) and Pravin Shingadia (three) were all banned from racing.
The suspensions apply to racecourses and training yards, and prohibit any dealings with licensed individuals, which includes jockeys, trainers, owners and stable staff.
Winger Coppinger, who denied any corruption, is back at Doncaster after a loan spell with Nottingham Forest.
Chopra says he has extensive debts and could not afford to defend himself
Former Cardiff City striker Chopra, Garner, Joshee, Shelley and Wilson - who now plays for Conference North side Gainsborough Trinity - also offered bribes to Heffernan, the BHA said.
Inglis, a one-time girlfriend of Heffernan, offered to take a bribe or bribes from Chopra, Garner, Joshee, Shelley and Wilson.
Garner placed lay bets - betting on a horse not to win - on horses trained by Alan McCabe, when he was working as a stable employee for the trainer.
Chopra said before the inquiry it would cost £50,000 to defend himself which he could not afford because of extensive debts, and he would welcome a ban from racing.
"As of this year, I've voluntarily excluded myself from all betting institutions from where I live in Ipswich in order to help me fight this illness," he said.
The striker told investigators he placed a bet on Silver Guest to lose because "he overheard a couple of people he did not know in a branch of Ladbrokes in Cardiff saying that they did not think it would win."
In written reasons for their verdicts, the panel said: "That may seem a comical explanation, but it was a lie nevertheless, as the texts and a wealth of other evidence show."
An Ipswich spokesman said the case was a private matter between Chopra and the BHA.
"He has nothing further to add to that statement at this stage and wants to concentrate on an important game at Bristol City at the weekend," he said.
Irish Stamp
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Kevin Tork's Chief Buccaneer DQ'd from third in a Hunter Chase at Taunton last March for failing a dope test for Stanozolol.
I think we can safely say we're leading the way in corruption
I think we can safely say we're leading the way in corruption
Tanlic
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It's an interesting one, that Kevin Tork case.
He sent the horse to Mark Welch to be sold then he changed his mind and decided to take it back into training and he claims it was Welch who administered the drug without his knowledge.
While the BHA decided he was lying some experts on Stanozolol may well have excepted his story.
Stanozolol can really weaken ligaments and wouldn't be the most sensible thing to be giving a NH horse as his chances of breaking down must increase drastically. Some experts are it doesn't enhance performance it just enhances appearance. It's actually used by bodybuilder for that reason.
That would fit in more with a guy trying to sell a horse than it would one trying to win a race
I suppose they gave Tork the benefit of the doubt as they banned Welch for 5 years whereas Tork was fined £3,000
Personally on this one I could or could not point the finger at anyone and say for sure they were or were not telling the truth...................The BHA on the otherhand seem to able to say I don't believe you and fine you anyway.......Tork and Welch could have made the whole thing up but I wonder if a jury in a court of law would have found Tork guilty?
As far as Heffernan and co goes there seems no doubt about them at all.
Heffernan must have sh1t fro brains getting involved in stopping horse where the betting exchanges are involved.
Maybe he never heard of a certain jockey who by dumb luck escaped prosecution. What on earth made him believe he wouldn't be caught?
I suppose he thought his best days were behind him and wanted as much out of the game by any means possible while he could and saw it as easy money.
The fact is the money he was prepared to gain illegally didn't come out of racing pockets it came out of the pockets of the ordinary unsuspecting exchange punters who are playing the game straight.
These guys aren't Barney Curly going for a touch knowing he might lose , this scum knew they couldn't lose and didn't care who they were robbing....... I'd jail the lot of them if I had my way.
He sent the horse to Mark Welch to be sold then he changed his mind and decided to take it back into training and he claims it was Welch who administered the drug without his knowledge.
While the BHA decided he was lying some experts on Stanozolol may well have excepted his story.
Stanozolol can really weaken ligaments and wouldn't be the most sensible thing to be giving a NH horse as his chances of breaking down must increase drastically. Some experts are it doesn't enhance performance it just enhances appearance. It's actually used by bodybuilder for that reason.
That would fit in more with a guy trying to sell a horse than it would one trying to win a race
I suppose they gave Tork the benefit of the doubt as they banned Welch for 5 years whereas Tork was fined £3,000
Personally on this one I could or could not point the finger at anyone and say for sure they were or were not telling the truth...................The BHA on the otherhand seem to able to say I don't believe you and fine you anyway.......Tork and Welch could have made the whole thing up but I wonder if a jury in a court of law would have found Tork guilty?
As far as Heffernan and co goes there seems no doubt about them at all.
Heffernan must have sh1t fro brains getting involved in stopping horse where the betting exchanges are involved.
Maybe he never heard of a certain jockey who by dumb luck escaped prosecution. What on earth made him believe he wouldn't be caught?
I suppose he thought his best days were behind him and wanted as much out of the game by any means possible while he could and saw it as easy money.
The fact is the money he was prepared to gain illegally didn't come out of racing pockets it came out of the pockets of the ordinary unsuspecting exchange punters who are playing the game straight.
These guys aren't Barney Curly going for a touch knowing he might lose , this scum knew they couldn't lose and didn't care who they were robbing....... I'd jail the lot of them if I had my way.
Irish Stamp
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Allegedly sent the horses to Welch surely Tanlic?
Tork reported to the BHA that he had 3 horses fit and ready to run at the end of November when applying for his license (4 weeks after sending them to Welch).
Tork wouldn't know what he's doing with the horse - the stanazolol will have been given to add condition and muscle mass, different form of doping to the stuff others have been caught doing (ie. not giving anti-bleeding drugs or designed to increase red blood cell count) but never the less it's a banned drug.
Tork reported to the BHA that he had 3 horses fit and ready to run at the end of November when applying for his license (4 weeks after sending them to Welch).
Tork wouldn't know what he's doing with the horse - the stanazolol will have been given to add condition and muscle mass, different form of doping to the stuff others have been caught doing (ie. not giving anti-bleeding drugs or designed to increase red blood cell count) but never the less it's a banned drug.
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
Every chance they knew enough about the drug to make up a story that fitted in well.........allegedly as you say.
I tend to trust the grapevine and I'm sure the BHA do to......there's very little get's passed them it's just being in a position and having enough evidence to do anything about it that's the difficult part. I get the impression they need less evidence than a court would to convict and in the majority of cases that's not a bad thing IMO.
I tend to trust the grapevine and I'm sure the BHA do to......there's very little get's passed them it's just being in a position and having enough evidence to do anything about it that's the difficult part. I get the impression they need less evidence than a court would to convict and in the majority of cases that's not a bad thing IMO.
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