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Which horse is going to be the gamble between now and race time?

7/1 bar

I think Ballynagour will be the one
 
Grasshopper said:
It's the class of horse's they beat which counts......VPU wouldn't see which way SE went in a 2m championship chase
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No it isnt

Thats not enough for you to make the unequivocal statement that you did

The fact is that the ease of both victories means that YOU DO NOT KNOW

PN is right to guess that there would have been a race. In fact i would suggest that MM was a better jumper at his best

Its a bit like the posts you see to many of on here. "sea the stars would have hammered dancing brave" and so on... Really? Fcking Dr who time traveller are we?



I loved Danny bakers take on this. This is nearer the mark. how it really is

"whos going to win the world cup?"

pundit. "england"

"why?"

"dunno"
 
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That run in the QM was too much of an outlier in MM's overall career. SS has been breathtaking time and time again. Look what he did to Cue Card at Aintree, and contrast and compare it to MM not even being able to confirm places with VPU in the same race.
 
Irrelevant point. Why are you posting it? PN said "on the day".

And MM certainly ran a few more times when he absolutely coasted and jumped round in a "breathtaking" manner. Ascot was one example that springs to mind

I would guess that neither Nicky or Paul would unequivocally say that one is considerably superior than the other and the pro ratings boys certainly didnt.
 
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clivex said:
And MM certainly ran a few more times when he absolutely coasted and jumped round in a "breathtaking" manner. Ascot was one example
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You presumably mean the outing where just held-on all-out to beat Somersby?

MM was a superb jumper at his best - Sandown runs showing him at his very best in that regard. But it is absolutely undeniable that Sacre has superior form. Anyone arguing otherwise - including Nicholls - is in a state of denial.
 
Stupid comment. Clearly we all know that he didnt always run to his best and was probably feeling things later in career

No. The arrogant state of mind as well as naivity is in assuming that 20 length wins represent an absolute of any horses ability.

Rather than jump on the talkinghorseshateNicholls bandwagon, where did mention form?
 
I think it is likely that Master Minded was around 7-10lb shy of Sprinter Sacre.

Unsurprisingly, when they were both at their pomp, they were miles ahead of their contemporaries.

We would all love to see SS, MM and Moscow Flyer in a ding dong battle.
 
SS and Moscow faced tougher opposition in sizing Europe,azertyloup and well chief than master minded ever faced a point Nicholls should recognize

and SS as euro points out has been very good not just in one race or indeed at just one festival.
 
And he would also recognise that MF never thrashed azerty and well chief with the authority that SS and MM did their opponents

And FFS . MM was not good "in one race"
 
yes he did the distances might not have been as far that's because they were better horses than MM faced but he never looked in danger of defeat one can describe that as authority

I admit that SS is something else compared to MF as Sizing Europe is an exceptional horse

but remember back to the times of the duels between MF and azerty and the bullish statements from Nichols the same statements he makes about MM


can you imagine Somersby getting within a neck of either SS or MF

this is like comparing Kato stars defeat of Denman with Best mates narrow defeat of truckers tavern or Comanche court a totally different ball game

btw im not a Nichols hater as you allude to anyone stating that SS is the better horse than MM
Nichols is a great trainer one I admire very much but he does get carried away at times
 
can you imagine Somersby getting within a neck of either SS or MF

this is like comparing Kato stars defeat of Denman with Best mates narrow defeat of truckers tavern or Comanche court a totally different ball game
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One last time on this.

To pick the somersby example is frankly completely daft. Ok then. Kauto was overrated because of the Newbury run

Second point is way wide of the mark too. That was the top of Best Mates performances. Now he might have been able to stretch them a bit more ridden differently of course but there wasn't that element of the unknown which you get with extremely easy victories
 
I've taken 16's about Tap Night. An unexposed improving 6-yo I think 16's is too big. Radjhani Express has a similar profile but I don't trust the jockey.
 
I've backed Colour Squadron in the hope his jumping doesn't let him down, I think he'll go close with a good round. I like Radjhani Express but not the jockey, I'll see what price he drifts to before deciding if to play, out to 12's but 10's best with those paying 5 places.
 
harry said:
Which horse is going to be the gamble between now and race time?

7/1 bar

I think Ballynagour will be the one
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Ballynagour is 6/4 to go off as Fav with PP, 10/3 Champion Court, 7/2 Johns Spirit, 11/2 Any JP owned horse,13/2 Rajdhani Express & 9/1 any other.

11/2 any JP horse would have a shout I reckon.
 
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How the **** can the Pipe horse be such a short price on one win @ Warwick off 123 to a dismal course effort, admittedly blamed on a bleed ?

Can McCoy still do 10-2 ? because 91k is a decent prize so Tap Night is interesting but maybe he knows that Johns Spirit has his name on the cup :ninja:

Johns Spirit marginally for me but they don't get much tougher than this.
 
wilsonl said:
How the **** can the Pipe horse be such a short price on one win @ Warwick off 123 to a dismal course effort, admittedly blamed on a bleed ?

Can McCoy still do 10-2 ? because 91k is a decent prize so Tap Night is interesting but maybe he knows that Johns Spirit has his name on the cup :ninja:

Johns Spirit marginally for me but they don't get much tougher than this.
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Because Pipe farms the race:D
 
Exactly Harry and win or lose, the day I bet on a horse at c. 7/1 in a race like this just because the trainer's dad won it a few times is the day I start drinking shandy.
 
jft2005 said:
I've taken 16's about Tap Night. An unexposed improving 6-yo I think 16's is too big. Radjhani Express has a similar profile but I don't trust the jockey.
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Jockey has a 5lb claim though, to allow for his inadequacies.
For mine, if he wasn't running, neither would Finian's Rainbow, who hasn't an earthly of staying the trip. Barry Geraghty's already indicated he'd rather ride Nadiya DLV, which he could have done comfortably, with the top weight out.
RE and Champion Court against the field, for me.
 
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