Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 2012

[Aragorn]

Heartbreaker....

 

[LUKE]

70000 matched at 1.01.

 

[EC1]

i'm so glad i lay all my backs at 1.05..would have been gutted

 

[Aragorn]

I didn't play in running but I was counting my money when he hit the front.

 

[Kauto]

Soumillon did everything right the horse just was going too well. Obviously got serious kinks.

 

[Euronymous]

Hard to take when you back the best horse in the race and he gets chinned on the line. Upset.

 

[Aragorn]

Where did Camelot finish?

 

[EC1]

the moral winner from the draw..even if it only cost a little bit

 

[EC1]

Hard to take when you back the best horse in the race and he gets chinned on the line. Upset.

always lay back short imo..it takes away the pain..and these hurt like hell

 

[sunybay]

no words
asimilating now
back in half an hour

 

[EC1]

no words
asimilating now
back in half an hour

you still made a great call Suny...can't believe it lost tbh after coming like that

 

[Scaramanga]

Where did Camelot finish?

More like when will he finish. Very disappointed. I thought he would win this. I'd like to blame the ground but he just didn't look anywhere near good enough today.

 

[Kauto]

Orfevere has thrown that away hit the rail about 15 yards out

 

[Scaramanga]

Surely there are no excuses for Orfevre? He was beaten fair and square. Ran a great race but met a better horse, at least on that ground.

 

[Aragorn]

Orfevere has thrown that away hit the rail about 15 yards out

I wondered why Soumillon sat up early...

 

[Kauto]

Surely there are no excuses for Orfevre? He was beaten fair and square. Ran a great race but met a better horse, at least on that ground.

I'm not sure what you're watching there

 

[davidjohnson]

I have a no swearing rule on twitter, so can I use this thread to say 'oh ****'. Thanks.

 

[davidjohnson]

Clearly I can't!

 

[Euronymous]

Surely there are no excuses for Orfevre? He was beaten fair and square. Ran a great race but met a better horse, at least on that ground.

He had to cover more ground because of where he was drawn. If he'd been tracking from the inside he would have had more left at the end and easily held on.

Wide draw/decent ground - Orfevre wins

Inside draw/heavy ground - Orfevre wins

It was only the combination of wide draw and the heavy ground that beat him.

 

[Aragorn]

And smashing into the rail just before the line... Just seen it on ATR, difficult to know whether it made the difference though.

 

[Scaramanga]

He had to cover more ground because of where he was drawn. If he'd been tracking from the inside he would have had more left at the end and easily held on.

Wide draw/decent ground - Orfevre wins

Inside draw/heavy ground - Orfevre wins

It was only the combination of wide draw and the heavy ground that beat him.

I just thought the ground had him beat. He'd got over his draw position and was well clear of his field then hung badly because he wasn't enjoying the ground. His acceleration was fantastic and he's clearly some horse. I guess I'd have a different opinion if I'd backed him.

 

[Kauto]

I just thought the ground had him beat. He'd got over his draw position and was well clear of his field then hung badly because he wasn't enjoying the ground. His acceleration was fantastic and he's clearly some horse. I guess I'd have a different opinion if I'd backed him.

I never backed him he is the best horse in that race by a long shot.

 

[EC1]

I just thought the ground had him beat. He'd got over his draw position and was well clear of his field then hung badly because he wasn't enjoying the ground. His acceleration was fantastic and he's clearly some horse. I guess I'd have a different opinion if I'd backed him.

getting over the draw position wastes energy though

to me he should have won ...a bit quirky...i don't want to overplay the draw but even half a length disadvantage makes all the difference in races at this level

 

[On The Bridle]

Between Orfevre and the yanks collapse last weekend....I'm giving it a miss for a while.

 

[Scaramanga]

I never backed him he is the best horse in that race by a long shot.

Couldn't disagree with you about that, looks a bit quirky though.