Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe

Slightly surprised that Highland Reel and Cliffs of Moher don't go (less so about the latter)


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It seems no British or Irish trained 3 year old filly has won an Arc yet.
There is a first time for everything but the softening ground cannot be helping the cause.
Ryan Moore opts for Winter according to Racing Post now; Order of St George surely a safer option all things considered.
 
Always thought he would plump for Winter, though clearly as you say OOSG is solid and you can easily see him finishing in front of her.
 
Galileo will reach new heights if he can sire an Arc winner out of a Wokingham winner, who herself was sired by a Kings Stand winner.

He's made the wrong choice surely.
 
Saumarez is the first one that springs to mind :whistle:

Would be interesting to know how many have tried.
 
Think I've decided Brametot is the best bet in this. I've watched the replay of the French Derby and visually I was really taken with it. If he were coming here straight of the back of that then he'd have to be second favourite at least or to my mind Joint favourite with Enable. So why is he 16/1 ? Understandably after that last start, falling out the stalls and losing 10 lengths and I suppose the worry is that he'll do it again and blow his chances . Connections are saying they've done things with him to help and that he had a niggle in his back which they've put right I don't know whether I would put to much faith in that but here's how I see it. Without fluffing his lines the last time I think he should have been a 4/1 shot here and he's generally available at 14's which basically makes me feel like they are giving me 10/1 that he comes out of the stalls on time. I decided to price up a non sensical market of my own.

Evens - he makes a tardy start similar to what he did in the Derby (but still won)
9/4 - He blows the start to the extent where it renders him with no chance
9/2 - He gets off to a flyer.
200/1 - He turns out to be the next Mad moose and will be seen refusing to start in a juvenile hurdle at Plumpton at some point in November.

So on this basis I'll give him a go at the price. His performance in the Derby was good enough for him to be a major player but when watching I thought he'd really only improve from a step up in trip. In times gone by before the fillies took over this race if you found the best 3yo colt in Europe you wouldn't be too far away in the Arc and I think this could be the best 3yo Colt in Europe.

The last hurdle to get over was his horrible name but this was because I was going with a Black Country pronunciation of BRAME_TOT when I realised the real pronunciation was BRAM-ETO which sounds like French rhyming slang for Camel toe this put me right at ease.
 
Enable goes into this much the same as Sea The Stars, as we don't know how good she is.
However, likewise; she's done everything asked of her, is head and shoulders clear of an ordinary bunch on ratings, acts on the ground, & has both the stamina and speed not to get outridden in the closing stages. Rab Havlin's comment "She's the best filly we've had'' clinches what connections have been hinting for a while now, and I'll be surprised if she's beaten.
 
Anybody know which online bookies will allow PMU settlement, they offer fixed odds or SP but SP will be UK bookies calculated price wont it ?

Betfred offer an option of Win Div - will that be PMU or a UK generated Tote system ?

Failing that I’m pretty sure you used to be able to choose it in the shops ? but haven’t been in one for years.
 
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Enable goes into this much the same as Sea The Stars, as we don't know how good she is.
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I don't agree with that, she stretches clear and her authority is plain to see. I don't like Arc horses running in it after a break, much prefer a summer break then a trial. She had 3 races, 2 of them quite hard ones, in 5 weeks. Then a six week break until now - I just question whether she'll be at her peak.
 
Like, Postponed was similar last year. Won the Juddmonte and then didn't race until Chantilly. When Bago was third to Sulamani at York he took in the Niel before the Arc.
 
I haven't done any figures for the Arc as I think Enable's best form is unbeatable. However, this is the Arc and things can go wrong at this time of year and with heavy ground.


I've taken three alternatives in the hope that there's an upset.


Dschingis Secret 16/1 (German + heavy ground = should go well)
Satono Diamond 40/1 ew (Japanese only send their best here and previous runners were never this price)
Plutomac 80/1 ew (+220 win only Betfair) (Fabre & Guyon - when were they ever that kind of price in a G1? That would be like O'Brien & Moore being 80/1 with presumably their best hope.)


Just looking for good runs for my money, really...
 
Amazed Brametot now available at 20/1 with Bet365. Sure the poor run last time has to be forgiven but I think I read there were excuses


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The excuses are legit. I think the reason he's so big is slight stamina questions over the trip on soft ground and also the worry that he tends to be slowly away.
 
I'm smashing into the filly. I don't buy this British/Irish 3yo filly argument. John Gosden has had a 3rd and a 6th with Taghrooda/Great Heavens and 3yo fillies in general have run very well in recent years. And having looked through the race, unless she gets a bad trip I think she wins in style, the rest of them have loads to find imho.

If she got a bad trip Zarak, Brametot (if he starts but if not he's in trouble) and Capri look nice e/w prices so may have small savers on the first and third of those.
 
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Just a point on this meeting - I don't like the fact they've moved the Arc earlier in the card, much better later in the card, builds the anticipation more. Makes 3 Group 1's seem like an afterthought.
 
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