Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe
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Desert Orchid
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Brilliant horse.
Brilliant jockey.
Brilliant performance from both.
Never really in doubt, was it?
Brilliant jockey.
Brilliant performance from both.
Never really in doubt, was it?
What a filly! Silenced any doubters now surely.
Tanlic
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Well done A was right there with you...what amazed me was You could actually get the price she should have been to win. 4/9 for a place.....Bookies and layers must have too a tanking
Dazzling performance she won very easily and was pulling Frankie's arms out all the way . A brilliant filly and one of the very best horses I have seen .
edgt
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as the Timeform man said on ATR ; half the horses ' form wains in the fall of the season, but not those trained by J Gosden.
Some trainer; some filly; some Frankie !
Prince Abdulla , with a relatively small team of horses built up over less than 40 years has given us Dancing Brave,Danehill, Rail Link, Workforce and now Enable not to mention Zafonic and all the others.
Spare a thought for James Delahooke who bought the early ones that set this up.
Some trainer; some filly; some Frankie !
Prince Abdulla , with a relatively small team of horses built up over less than 40 years has given us Dancing Brave,Danehill, Rail Link, Workforce and now Enable not to mention Zafonic and all the others.
Spare a thought for James Delahooke who bought the early ones that set this up.
Tanlic
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Gotta give her that 133 Zarkava rating now...at least
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Irrelevant. He merited a place in the race.
Nothing could be more relevant than knowing you cannot beat your stablemate .
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She still had to run her race.
So they get another top one in the yard next season. You don't run him again (if he's fit and healthy).
Tanlic
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Sorry mate but you are overrating him big time IMO ..Beaten by Capri who needs 2 miles and went off at 40/1 finishing out with the washing
The two horses he beat later are extremely ordinary and wouldn't get a job as lead ponies for the Arc.
The two horses he beat later are extremely ordinary and wouldn't get a job as lead ponies for the Arc.
Agree 100% and well done on your winners today.
Agreed. The last 3 races lost a lot of appeal for me especially as not shown on ITV. Disappointed the schedule included the Arab race but that was pretty much inevitable given where it was on the card
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edgt
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Edgt, how can you make that list and forget Frankel!!!!!!!!!
So much talk about Frankel everywhere else I was afraid someone would beat me up !!!
I had him in and deleted him subconsciously .
Tanlic
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Capri is a second rate classic winner and the Irish Derby and St Leger are 3nd rate classics
It's as obvious as the nose on your face Gosden never ran the horse because he would be over facing him...the 2nd prize is worth more than the Champion Stakes and you don't walk away from that if you think you have a chance.
As for the Drivel...Avilius was stuffed in a Group 2 since and Venice Beach trailed in 26 lengths behind Capri who in turn has finished 12 lengths behind Enable. Hardy world beaters and the form just doesn't stack up to Arc standards
Euronymous
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Really? She's top class yeah but the best horse she's beaten doesn't really stay 12f in top company. I'd have her on 129/30.
She didn't even have the performance, merit wise, of the day.
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It takes a great horse to win five Group 1 races over 1m 4f in a row like that . She is the first three year old to win the KG and ADT in the same season since Lammtarra who only ran three times . No horse had ever won the two Oaks and the KG , let alone the Arc and Ulysses stays perfectly well he just isn't as good as her ( Highland Reel also clearly stays 1m 4f ) .
Also notable is that the weight for age scale appears vindicated by this result Enable beat Ulysses the same distance as at Ascot but he was conceding her 4lb less.
She has also won these races by a total of 23 lengths or so .
Desert Orchid
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I think we operate to slightly different scales, Euronymous, but 129/130 is up there with Dahlia etc. It's the equivalent of 133/134 among the males, which only happens once every five or six years [on my scale], much less often with females.
Euronymous
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Mine is similar to Timeform's. 133/4 for males is fairly common for males.
Beating Ulysees that well twice is laudable but he's obviously a fair bit better at 10f. Which 12f G1 winners did she beat yesterday:
The Jap and German horses. mmmmm
7th Heaven - GATG
Capri - Felt the effects of the Leger
Silverwave and Zarak. Poor for the grade.
Like I said, she is top class, but I would have her behind Treve and Zarkava by a fair margin.
Beating Ulysees that well twice is laudable but he's obviously a fair bit better at 10f. Which 12f G1 winners did she beat yesterday:
The Jap and German horses. mmmmm
7th Heaven - GATG
Capri - Felt the effects of the Leger
Silverwave and Zarak. Poor for the grade.
Like I said, she is top class, but I would have her behind Treve and Zarkava by a fair margin.
good performance , impressive camapaign, top trainer keeping her in top form whole season
she goes to 122 yesterday
great campaign, but on the racecourse the form is quite behind Treve, Zarkava or Danedream
it was a good winner in a bad edition
she goes to 122 yesterday
great campaign, but on the racecourse the form is quite behind Treve, Zarkava or Danedream
it was a good winner in a bad edition