He definitely has a chance of making the frame but I don't know if any of his runs this season are better then last years Supreme.The Celestial Halos and Karabaks of this world are irrelevant as far as Champion Hurdle form is concerned.
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...It was wasn't it.
Like I said on here though I was very optimistic he would come good and could detect signs of that following his flop at Newcastle.
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Bar the Bull
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I agree that OW is improving, probably quite quickly, but I wouldn't use Celestial Halo in any analysis of OW to prove it.
EC1
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that really depends on how easily they are beaten though surely..i don't understand your point at all..can we only measure future CH winners off horses rated 165plus?
any horse is a marker..as long as we know their current level
CH is a 160 horse nowadays..that makes OW about 169
I know for a fact that if HF had beaten CH by 13 lengths recently the accolades on this forum would have been never ending
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No way is Celestial Halo a 160 horse these days, EC1. He was barely a 160 horse when he was finishing a head second in a Champion Hurdle.
EC1
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he is officially rated 160..he was officially rated 168 after his CH 2nd
so i am a little confused where you get your ratings from
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rorydelargy
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Which is understandable - he spends most of his time selling old tat on the telly.
Bar the Bull
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CH might well be rated 160, but that is a prime example of why people do their own ratings.
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AW Flat race a poor bet imo. Having been beaten less than 3l in the St Leger when last seen on the Flat, it's likely he'll be rated well into the 100+ category when he returns. Very few races for stayers when those ratings on AW, particularly one he'd win. At those prices, conditional hurdle looks sound bet at 7/2, though the 14's for a novice chase would look juicy if he turns up at Worcester in the summer.
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Gearoid
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An official mark over fences would be tempting I'd having thought.
Irish Stamp
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Somewhere in the mid-high 120's IMO Gearoid, unless they can fix his jumping and then high 130's would be a possible.
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Gearoid
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If the owner did not have bags of cash lying around his house that would be the obvious route to land a touch. Running off 128 with a 7lb claimer with the instructions of getting from side of the fence to the other. Easy.
Bar the Bull
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I'll have 1000 to 70 on a novice chase. Please.
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Gearoid
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Sorry Sir but I'm not laying that price to the greedy this morning. You can have 200-25 and the balance at 6-1.
Bar the Bull
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But I am hungry.
Irish Stamp
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You can't eat value
EC1
On a break
since when is a handicap mark based on what class a horse will win next?
i said that seeing as my posts get pulled for being ridiculous..i'll do the same..there is some real nonsense being talked here..in fact bollox
a horse can have a high rating without winning a single race in future.
i said that seeing as my posts get pulled for being ridiculous..i'll do the same..there is some real nonsense being talked here..in fact bollox
a horse can have a high rating without winning a single race in future.
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EC1
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well..its ok doing your own..but i will use Grassy's example..he said Celestial H was only a 160 when 2nd in a CH..so we now have CH winners rated 161?
some very questionable stuff going off i think
since when is a handicap mark based on what class a horse will win next?
i said that seeing as my posts get pulled for being ridiculous..i'll do the same..there is some real nonsense being talked here..in fact bollox
a horse can have a high rating without winning a single race in future.
I was the one who sent the thread in that direction-as I see it the horse is a burnt out frontrunner who is on a downward trajectory.His future doesn't involve taking on top class horses.
EC1
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but that doesn't stop him being a horse to guage others by
he could still plod into 4th in a CH for example..which means he has a "level" to work off
my example was that not many horses beat him double figure lengths..which is a fact..whereas saying a horses mark is somehow related to what class level he will win next is complete arse..and i'm surprised that so many followed your lead in their attempts to ridicule my example..when in fact they have just ridiculed themselves going down that road
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