Royal Ascot 2015

Euronymous said:
Toormore never wins though.
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toormore 4wins in 10..night of thunder 4 in 9

not much in it really...toormore has run on slow ground too much as well..and 7f.....8f on fast should be better..as shown at newbury

lets hope they don't water the ground to good to soft like seems the trend these days
 
Bar the 5.00 in which I have no idea, I like the favourites in the rest to win. The O'Brien joint jolly in the last.

Goldream maybe to hit the frame at a price.
 
Neither one of the Hannon Duo look reliable nor do they look to possess the class to be winning the Queen Ann.

Solow keeps winning and there was huge confidence behind him when he won last tie out despite being up against Cirrus.

He looks very special unlike the Hannon duo and I expect he'll get punters of to a flying start.

The Coventry could also end up going to the Fav Round Two.......Hannon has pulled his stable star out AS Predicted and that 6/4 for the Norfolk I said should be grabbed with both hands is well and truly gone.

I.m sticking with Pear Secret EW for the Kings Stand

Gleaneagles will surely win again he has great turn of foot and won't mind which pace they go at

I'd rather **** my cash up against the wall then bet anything in the last two races
 
Euronymous said:
Solow has beaten nothing so far if we ignore his pointless Meydan win
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agree..solow probably a lay imo..and Round Two a definate lay in the Coventry..i can see 2 or 3 who will beat it.

can't find any real interest in any of it at the moment..i usually just watch it and play pennies..thats all its worth as a betting medium

back...Toormore..lay solow
back.... black beach + eltezam...lay Round Two.
back ..sole power
 
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EC1 said:
agree..solow probably a lay imo..and Round Two a definate lay in the Coventry..i can see 2 or 3 who will beat it.

can't find any real interest in any of it at the moment..i usually just watch it and play pennies..thats all its worth as a betting medium

back...Toormore..lay solow
back.... black beach + eltezam...lay Round Two.
back ..sole power
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I'm heading tomorrow but have to agree it's more a spectacle than a day to get stuck into.

I'll be fascinated to see how Able Friend gets on tomorrow; he looks an absolute beast but it appears that the horses he has been beating include Roca Tumu and Strado Colorato (under their ridiculous new names Dan Excel and Gold-Fun), so how much the form is actually worth I don't know. Sha Tin could hardly be any more different to the straight mile at Ascot either.

I can see the argument for Toormore after the Lockinge, but I'm starting to get the feeling that he lacks the turn of foot to quicken in really top races. Even if he is ridden more efficiently, he might be vulnerable to a horse with more toe. I also generally don't like backing horses that have the propensity to pull as much as he does.
 
Toormore needs further, imo, and the drying ground won't help his cause. Cracking race between the other 3 principals, though I'd favour the OH being nearer the mark than the market order.
Love Muthmir to bits, but he's yet to show he's a gp1 horse - but he's half the price of one who has. G Force wins this, with Sole Power the obvious danger.
SMS wouldn't normally see his geese as swans, so it's intriguing he throws Consort into the deep end of the SJP.
 
reet hard said:
the drying ground won't help his cause. .
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his best run when winning the National stakes was on fast ground?..the official good description was wrong..even a nursery handicap ran faster than standard

was also faster side of good when beating grey gatsby..certainly as fast as they will let it get tomorrow anyway

he is a decent shot at the price..in a race i've no real interest in whatever wins tbh..
 
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Think the bookies have it about right in the first because I won't do anything at the prices. Maybe a special in the morning?
Solow - not beaten much but still beat them.
Able Friend - ditto.
Night Of Thunder - only horse to beat Kingman but inconsistent.
Toormore - 0/4 against NoT. 4/4 is now 4/10 and can't make a case for him winning.
If anyone offers 5/2 Solow in the morning I'd go for that.

For the others, follow Wesley Ward and G Force each way.
 
After being tempted by Solow initially The conditions are like nothing he has met before so its Able Friend for me who surpisingly is on the drift tonight out to 3/1 with PP.
 
Not a lot to add to what's been said about main races.

I have a speculative fancy for Big Thunder in the 5:00. This one won 5 races in 2013 at predictably short odds for trainer Sir Mark Prescott. I half wonder if his trainer put him away for this event after that, as he's dropped 9 pounds in the ratings after a too-bad-to-be-true 2014.
He wears blinkers for the first time tomorrow and any support in the market would be a positive, imo.

Noble Silk is another one who caught the eye at a big price and is being well backed.
 
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I'm finding it difficult enough to form a single strong opinion about tomorrow's card.

I'm swinging for the fences in the Queen Anne and backing Cougar Mountain EW. His profile suggests that O'Brien now thinks he is a miler rather than a sprinter and has been "adapting" him to racing at a mile probably with a view to this race. He has buckets to find, but didn't get the clearest run in the Lockinge and we have seen O'Brien horses improve substantially between Lockinge-Queen Anne before. Dead 8 and 40's too big to resist.
 
If gleneagles drifts much more he'll be a backable price. 4/5 looks possible and I would take that.


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Willie Mullins second string Digeanta looks a decent bet in the 5.00. Other than that I think I will be steering clear today, looks tough to look beyond a lot of the favourites in the betting.
 
Ascot is the time in the flat season when I really start to play. Historically my success rate in the early season is awful so I adjust accordingly. Don't (can't) do all the timing and handicapping that the gurus on here but greatly appreciate having the chance to benefit from their expertise. I study the form, run the replays, etc., and come up with my selections. Seems a little underwhelming to put up fancies without all the backup some of you guys set out. Still as I seem to have upset enough bookies to have difficulty in having a decent bet I must be doing something right. Latest example Betfair Sportsbook - maximum limit now is £0.00. They don't do what it says on the tin.

Today I'm with Suny on Mecca's Angel even though my track record opposing Sole Power is a very round figure. I also like Broxbourne (5.00) who has certainly come on over the NH season and could be a good thing at 12/1. Have EW singles but have also put them in a yankee with my 2 main punts for the meeting, Huntsman's Close and Speculative Bid.
 
Tout Seul said:
Ascot is the time in the flat season when I really start to play. Historically my success rate in the early season is awful so I adjust accordingly. Don't (can't) do all the timing and handicapping that the gurus on here but greatly appreciate having the chance to benefit from their expertise. I study the form, run the replays, etc., and come up with my selections. Seems a little underwhelming to put up fancies without all the backup some of you guys set out. Still as I seem to have upset enough bookies to have difficulty in having a decent bet I must be doing something right. Latest example Betfair Sportsbook - maximum limit now is £0.00. They don't do what it says on the tin.

Today I'm with Suny on Mecca's Angel even though my track record opposing Sole Power is a very round figure. I also like Broxbourne (5.00) who has certainly come on over the NH season and could be a good thing at 12/1. Have EW singles but have also put them in a yankee with my 2 main punts for the meeting, Huntsman's Close and Speculative Bid.
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I've never yet backed Sole Power..and initially i fancied him after looking a day or two ago at the race..but i'm probably going to not win money off him again as i am leaning towards Muthmir...he looks the one today i feel. I think Mecca's Angel may be a better horse on a flat track..his win in France is a trip i've measured as short of 5f..seem to remember posting it arc day..its a very fast flat track exactly the opposite of today. I was at Donny lat year when she won ..again a flatter surface than today. G Force strikes me as s slower ground 6f horse..backed him last year except when he won..remember thinking then..well they have now found out he is a 6f horse..and they drop him back to this..which surprises me..particularly on faster ground.
 
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trainer has walked track and is concerned about the ground for mecca's angel. could even be pulled.
 
Not a card for me to get heavily involved but like the look of the Haggis trained War Department in the Coventry and have taken the 9\1 with Skybet.

From FFS Frozen Power and won comfortably on debut at Leicester over 6f on Good to firm ground.

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Slowly into stride, held up, headway over 2f out, shaken up to lead 1f out, ran on well, impressive
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Slowly into stride, soon in touch, smooth headway over 2f out, chased leaders going well 2f out, 2nd over 1f out, led inside final furlong, soon pushed along and quickened clear, easily
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The highlighted comments stand out and trainer Haggis has been in great form.

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Will add to 2yo thread as well!
 
Smarty72 said:
Not a card for me to get heavily involved but like the look of the Haggis trained War Department in the Coventry and have taken the 9\1 with Skybet.

From FFS Frozen Power and won comfortably on debut at Leicester over 6f on Good to firm ground.

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The highlighted comments stand out and trainer Haggis has been in great form.

PS

Will add to 2yo thread as well!
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it also got a decent figure when winning..just depends on how much was really in the locker..its one that certainly looks the part..haggas could have a very good day

my speed figures for the coventry are..

Black Beach.......108
Air Force Blue....106
Round Two.........103
Eltezam...........101
Age Of Empire......99
Buratino...........92
War Department.....87
Ode To Evening.....85
Sir Roger Moore....81
Qeyaadah...........75


Improvement to come from all of them as well..makes it a wide open race
 
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Richard Fahey seems quite confident over the chances of Latham in the last:

'I can see Lathom running a big race in the Windsor Castle. They haven’t been quick enough to lead him in his races so far but that won’t be the case here and it will do him the world of good.

He worked particularly well in his last serious gallop before Ascot and is as good a two-year-old as we’ve sent down to the meeting for a little while now. We won the Windsor Castle with Marine Commando and Supplicant finished second in it. This fellow compares favourably to that pair.'

Be interesting to see how First Selection fairs in the 15.05 having beaten the above with a late run. Fahey seems to think his better with something to chase.

Both big prices.
 
Fran Berry has a great record in Ascot Stakes and Johnny does not use him that often so Hartstone is my ew speculation.
Ard San Aer very impressive at Leopardstown in May physically and performance wise.
ground totally different here but surely has an ew chance.
 
Agree edgt, Ard San Aer is interesting. Better ground will be right up his street, but i'm wary of the drop back to 5f. I can see him off the bridle earlier than most. However, Jim knows best!! The Norfolk was the original plan, so I imagine he feels he has enough speed for this and with the drop down in Grade he wouldn't be a surprise winner at double figure odds.
 
Part time punter said:
Willie Mullins second string Digeanta looks a decent bet in the 5.00. Other than that I think I will be steering clear today, looks tough to look beyond a lot of the favourites in the betting.
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Gone with this e.w. at 10's as well. Hopefully the extra distance will suit him.
 
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