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Scottish Independence.....

Salmond & Sturgeon will be choking on their porridge tomorrow, thinking about those huge pay risers they will not be getting as chief executives of all those committees running an independent country.

Carney gave them such hope a few weeks ago but then ...

How much gold do you need to establish a trustworthy currency, I don't think you can establish one without any, that's assuming you have a central bank already set up ...... whoops .... that central bank has assets (bad loans) of how many billions!


MR2
 
Either they think they can con their countrymen or they are economically illiterate

They even suggested they would default on debt if they couldn't agree with the rest of the uk on the divi up of it. And think that will hold the currency issue to ransom.what? Do they think we give a fck. A debt default for a new country? Great start and massive international interest rates

Alastair darling is quietly and cleverly dissecting their moronic behaviour at every turn
 
montyracing2 said:
How much gold do you need to establish a trustworthy currency, I don't think you can establish one without any, that's assuming you have a central bank already set up ...... whoops .... that central bank has assets (bad loans) of how many billions!


MR2
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The majority of RBS ongoing issues is Ulster Bank.

Euronymous - 100% of them will not be Scotch.
 
9billion out of RBS s bad debt of 38b is ulster .less than a quarter
 
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And that doesn't matter . Ulsters bad debts are RBS problem regardless of the fact they are in Ireland or anywhere else
 
Moron

Flicked through it. Says take "your banks back" RBS ? HBOS?

Other way round thicko

And a nation without "corporations" Ie private industry. Thats a good idea. Worked before hasnt it?
 
If I was Scottish I would go for it big style. Have they the stones to create an almost Scandinavian/Swiss type model. Almost every study you see has those countries at the top of the best in the world to live in table.
 
I would hate to live in switzerland or sweden. Been there enough times. Places to go and die (in switzerland its an industry). Boring

The only part of the uk that would be far richer than the rest if independent is the south east and most specifically London. Scotland has a fair amount going for it but its no switzerland
 
Our society is decent too. Why do you think swedens is "better" ? High taxes and drab conformity makes it "better"? no Way.

And Switzerland? With its attitude to immigrants and its vile past record

And I would far far rather live in London than Zurich or Stockholm. And at the moment it seems like the whole world agrees
 
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It's not about having "the stones", Euro.

The Scottish pysche could not be further from the Scandinavian psyche, so little-to-no point trying to compare these nations, imo.
 
clivex said:
Our society is decent too. Why do you think swedens is "better" ? High taxes and drab conformity makes it "better"? no Way.

And Switzerland? With its attitude to immigrants and its vile past record

And I would far far rather live in London than Zurich or Stockholm. And at the moment it seems like the whole world agrees
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I lived in Geneva, and agree, too 'perfect'! And not a nice place to live. I remember after around 6 months there I want to Lyon for a weekend and was struck by the normality of there compared to swissland.

But, is Stockholm really similar? I wouldn't have thought so.
 
Oh god yes. Geneva is dull. Quite a dated feel to it I felt

Was in Stockholm three days. It's ok in fairness. Just not memorable in any particular way. Prefer Copenhagen of the Scandinavia cities.
 
I would hate to live in Switzerland at any time of the year, but Sweden in the summer is a delight, Stockholm included. Drab conformity! What a pathetic cliche.
 
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It's not about having "the stones", Euro.

The Scottish pysche could not be further from the Scandinavian psyche, so little-to-no point trying to compare these nations, imo.
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And wonder how the scottish psyche would cope with taxes of 57%?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25846914

£500 swings it either way. No bollocks about "social fairness" or happy clappy smiling societies. Its fcking bottom line

Now if we had 57% tax rate which way would this swing?

Some scots and clueless liberal media like to portray a semi socialist society where everyone worries all day about their poor unemployed countrymen and want to do open their doors to unfortunate refugees from around the world

do they fck

Its £500 either way jimmy
 
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I wonder how anyone can take Salmond and co seriously over the past week.

All they do is squeal like stuck fat pigs that they are being "bullied". And yet their policy akin to walking out of a job and demanding to keep the company car. Do they have difficulties with logic?
 
Where does 57% come from Clive:

The total income taxes including the mandatory insurance fees were 29.8% for an average yearly income of 37,400 € in 2010.[4]
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That's Finland.


I suspect the top line might be 57% but my philosophy on Tax, and it's one rich cunts in general should have, is it's what you end up with not what you pay. So a multi-millionaire is still going to be a millionaire after a large slice is taken away from them.
 
And a multi millionaire who has taken a lot of risks and worked hard to get where he is is not going to risk any more of his hard earned or time creating more enterprise if the government wants it all.

I have far more respect for some "rich cnt" who has risked everthing (and believe me they do) to get where he is than some lazy over secure public sector "worker" who does fck all on our taxes whilst sitting around for a fat pension at our expense

I dont believe the 50% should be breached in any circumstances.
 
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And a multi millionaire who has taken a lot of risks and worked hard to get where he is is not going to risk any more of his hard earned or time creating more enterprise if the government wants it all.
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This is the problem, the perception that wealth is earned on a sort of merit basis. Whether it's by having the benefits of a better education, good connections, having a rich daddy or being a ruthless ******* (see a certain racehorse owner born in the town I now live in who was a right wrong 'un in his early days) Hard earned by arse.

And the 50%+ tax rate only comes in after a certain amount.

Of course with council tax, road tax and NI contributions people earning less than £30K a year are proportionally taxed far more than their well off counterparts.



Grasshopper said:
It's not about having "the stones", Euro.

The Scottish pysche could not be further from the Scandinavian psyche, so little-to-no point trying to compare these nations, imo.
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I lived in Carnoustie for five years and I worked in Arbroath and knew a few people from Brechin and Montrose. They struck me in general as radically different than any Glaswegians I met.
 
Sorry but the idea that every successful businessman or professional is simply rich for those reasons is horribly wide of the mark. You can only get so far without talent. The rubbish and the fakers are soon filtered out. Its like the somewhat unbelievable assertion by one poster that all businesspeople hes met boast about how theyve "shafted someone" on the way up. Just rubbish on so many counts and seems like too many watch Dallas and think thats real life

There are some very fortunate bankers in the rewards stakes but not much beyond that

I would like to see a few that moan about the rich put their houses on the line to take a big risk. Or go long periods with barely any income and no holidays.And i know a good number that have
 
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