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Here is a list of sires whose progeny will be strutting their stuff for the first time in 2016:


Americain

Bated Breath

Born To Sea

Casamento

Delegator

Doncaster Rover

Dragon Pulse

Elzaam

Excelebration

Fame And Glory

Famous Name

Foxwedge

Frankel

Harbour Watch

Mayson

Nathaniel

Power

Rio Del Plata

Sayif

Sepoy

Sir Prancelot

So You Think

Yorgunnabelucky

and three from the US

Bodemeister

Shackleford

Union Rags

I'm indebted to the B2-y-oR site for the list.

A wide variety of racecourse ability and stud fees for the above.

I've had a quick look around for a market but was unsuccessful, if someone should stumble over some prices I would be extremely grateful if you would post them here.
 
Frankel will be ridiculously short. I was about to say that he'll create some value, but on reflection the quantity and the royal breeding probably means he'll walk it by a country mile.
 
Not a market I'd played in until taking 7/4 zoffany last year. Enjoyable bet which gave an interest through the whole season. Keen to repeat the dose so if someone could give me a steer I'd be grateful!
 
Maruco said:
Frankel will be ridiculously short. I was about to say that he'll create some value, but on reflection the quantity and the royal breeding probably means he'll walk it by a country mile.
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He's got the majority of his stock in the hands of old-style owner-breeders, and he himself didn't see the racecourse until the August of his 2yo season, so he's likely to get more back-end prospective Classic types. He's no walkover as I see it.
 
Cruella said:
He's got the majority of his stock in the hands of old-style owner-breeders, and he himself didn't see the racecourse until the August of his 2yo season, so he's likely to get more back-end prospective Classic types. He's no walkover as I see it.
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spot on...a few good quality wins August+..odd one or two before....versus something belting winners out week in week out at Redcar..Catterick etc
 
I'd be interested in the price of Power but purely based on his profile and breeding. However, i've got no idea how many mares these stallions have covered and how many yearlins are out there so i'd want to see that before having a bet.

The mighty Frankel deserves to be favourite regardless.. Just because...It's Frankel... I'm really looking forward to seeing his progeny run.
 
VANCOUVER, the champion two-year-old in Australia in the 2014-15 season, is set to join Aidan O'Brien at Ballydoyle and will be targeted at the top sprint and mile contests in Europe this year
 
RaceBets have published odds for the FSS 2016:

Leading First-Season Sire by number of individual winners (UK & Ireland only, 2016 Turf Season March 20th - November 5th, bets are win only)

Frankel 2/1
Excelebration 3/1
Harbour Watch 5/1
Casamento 6/1
Bated Breath 7/1
Born To Sea 14/1
Sir Prancealot 14/1
Nathaniel 14/1
Power 16/1
Sepoy 20/1
Dragon Pulse 20/1
Elzaam 25/1
Helmet 25/1
Foxwedge 25/1
Mayson 25/1
Requinto 40/1
Delegator 66/1
Famous Name 100/1
Sayif 100/1
So You Think 100/1
 
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Good to see this back. My favourite thread. Haven't access to my Return of Mares books at the mo but once I have I'll list the offspring numbers for the top-listed sires. That's unless someone can beat me to it.
Thanks Colin for putting this up again.
 
Having read the article Grey listed and looked at some pedigrees I'd have thought Casamento would be a reasonable bet. He's by a sire who has produced what looks a reasonable sire. He was reasonably early as a 2yo. He is from a good female line: that of Vaguely Noble. And he he has a lot of foals.
I can see Harbour Watch being the one that sets the pace early season. He's by Acclamation who is getting sires. He was an early 2yo and he produced lots of foals that are likely to be early types. But will he produce the type of horse Zoffany did who produced 3 Royal Ascot winners?
Bated Breath could do well but he wasn't an early type but he is by Dansili who gave us last year's leading 2yo sire.

As an outsider I'd have Nathaniel. But he's likely to have later types. Frankel could blow everything out of the water by having 2 or 3 colts who mop up the Dewhurst and Racing Post etc. and settle it just by that.
 
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