The Flemenstar Dilemna ?

Curran supposedly turned down JP's money this time last year as wasn't guaranteed horse would stay with Casey.

Very unlike JP to move a horse though unless he didn't like Casey's antics which were a bit OTT.

I reckon Flemenstar was a little under the weather at the back end of last season and it was a long enough season. Not sure he will be right this year either. Sometimes takes them time to get over things like that.
 
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FLEMENSTAR could be on the move to Tony Martin with owner Stephen Curran unwilling to confirm the three-time Grade 1-winning chaser will be returning to trainer Peter Casey.

Rumours are rife that Flemenstar will be joining Martin for the new campaign and, while Curran would not comment on whether that was the case, the fact he could not guarantee the eight-year-old would be in the care of Casey suggests all is not well in the camp.

Curran said: "There are rumours going around everywhere - I've heard them myself. But no decision has been made. I won't be deciding anything for another three or four weeks.

"I have the horse here and he's been in training with me for a little while. I can't keep him myself because I have no licence."

Curran was keen to stress how ill Flemenstar was last year and believes the horse is lucky to be alive.

He added: "The vets will tell you how sick the horse was last year. He had a temperature of 102F. We are lucky to still have the horse at all. He was very, very sick."

Although Flemenstar is currently in Curran's care, that is not unusual. He did not arrive back in at Casey's Stamullen yard until September last year.

Curran said: "We always keep the horse here until a few weeks before he's due to race. We mind him ourselves and that's the way we've always done it. We have to be careful with him this year."

Casey, who shot into the limelight following his colourful comments after Flemenstar's first Grade 1 success in the Arkle Novice Chase at Leopardstown in January last year, remains in the dark.

He said: "I've heard nothing. I don't know whether he is coming back to me or not.

"The horse is still with Stephen. Last year he came back to me in September and started off in the second week of November at Navan. I was planning on starting him back in the same race [Fortria Chase] this year and taking in the John Durkan at Punchestown before heading for the Dial-A-Bet at Leopardstown over Christmas. But we'll just have to see what happens."

Flemenstar has won eight of his 14 starts for Casey, including Grade 1 wins during a hugely successful novice chase campaign in the Irish Arkle and the Powers Gold Cup at Fairyhouse. His sole success at the top level last season came in the John Durkan Chase at Punchestown, where he beat Sir Des Champs.

Martin was unwilling to comment when contacted about the possibility of Flemenstar joining his team.

The speculation reflects the renaissance of the trainer's career highlighted by high-profile successes with Benefficient and Ted Veale at the Cheltenham Festival, Dark Crusader in York's Melrose Stakes and his eight-winner haul at the Galway festival.

Flemenstar has had a wind operation since finishing 24 lengths behind Sprinter Sacre in the Melling Chase at Aintree in April and, should he join Martin, the trainer would be faced with the dilemma of whether to step him up to three miles or stick to campaigning him over shorter distances.
 
I am reliably informed the owner is a complete knob jockey. There was no need to move the horse.
I won't be wishing him a huge pile of luck next season. He hasn't even told Casey yet ffs!
 
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Reminds me of Jamie Poulton when he went to enter Land N Stars for the Henry II. Weatherbys informed him, you can't Mr Poulton, the horse is trained by Richard Fahey now.
 
Unlike CL I don't feel sorry at all for Casey. Occasionally poor trainers come across a very good horse. So good they don't have to be great trainers to win races with the said animal.

Casey's ability as a trainer is questionable to say the least. Mark Chapman did a piece on the man and dug through the archives to come up with a horse he had success with. Listening to Chapman hyping him up I thought Casey had achieved something out of the ordinary a few years back until I looked up the horses form he was raving about...the thing had won about 5 races from 30 outings or something crazy like that.

Man had his chance he blew it (perhaps with a bit of assistance from the owner) If he does end up with Tony Martin the owner better bite his lip or he'll soon be told where to go to andf take his horse with him.

Sorry if I am being a bit harsh on Casey but the man's a clown as far as I am concerned.
 
He gave us the best bit of television for years mind,was a delight to watch ,so natural and credited all over the World.
 
Bad manners from the owner.

If you were moving a horse and had a new trainer in mind, would you not at least sound out said trainer before telling the current one? If you don't you could easily end up with no trainer at all and have to look elsewhere.

The most likely source for the rumours are from Tony Martin's yard - what has the owner to gain from spreading them? Then, when confronted by a journalist, do you expect him to lie and say the horse is going back to Casey when he knows that is not likely?
 
Calling Casey a clown is just plain lazy. He's a good trainer and anything done wrong with Flemenstar was running him over the wrong trip. Who's fault is that?? Does anyone know? I think (but not sure) Casey was of d opinion he's a 2 miler end if. Owner wanted to up to Gold Cup trips. Trial and error. They obviously couldn't agree. Fair enough.

It's disappointing to me, I feel for Casey. I really think the owner is looking for excuses and when all is said and done, the horse won't achieve anything with Martin he couldn't have done with Casey. Good luck to the horse as he's a star!
 
That's about right as well as some of the riding instructions if I recall right

Shouldn't judge him on interviews perhaps but having him tell us he's going to shoot his load over his fat wife every time the horse wins was pretty off putting on a sat afternoon.

Especially if I was eating some yoghurt
 
That's about right as well as some of the riding instructions if I recall right

Shouldn't judge him on interviews perhaps but having him tell us he's going to shoot his load over his fat wife every time the horse wins was pretty off putting on a sat afternoon.

Especially if I was eating some yoghurt

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Thanks for that image clive
Thanks very much. :blink:
 
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