The Hennessy (Newbury)

Coneygree handed 11st 9lbs for the Hennessy Gold Cup. Likely to rise to 11st 12lbs if as expected Don Cossack goes elsewhere.
 
Cue Card scratched.

Indicative of a problem, or the final realisation on Tizzard's part, that the horse has zero chance of getting the trip?
 
He'd get the trip alright Grass. It's just that he'd be walking the last 3 furlongs of it.

and I can't get my head around the fact that Bob's Worth could get in here off 10st 4lb - although admittedly that's likely to go up to 10st 7lb :blink:

Sprinter Sacre 25/1 for the Queen Mum and Simonsig as big as 12s. You'd have been sectioned if you'd suggested any of the three scenarios would be the case a couple of years back.
 
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too right. The experts here have been adamant that he cant get three miles at all and god only knows why they didnt pull him out of the charlie hall
 
3m round Wetherby in a small-field where you're massively favoured at the weights, is an altogether easier test of stamina than 3m2f round Newbury giving weight to 95% of the field - even you know that.
 
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charlie hall is only over 2 mile and a half though:)

CC has some very suspicious "3m" form Clive..has raced over it at two tracks that are basically the bermuda triangle of horse racing..stopped as though shot at the last in that KG agin SC didn't he?..which is run over the full 3 miles...something that is alien at other two tracks

see..if Kempton measured in same way as haydock + wetherby..CC would now have a KG win on his form..as it is...actually racing over 3 miles at kempton short changed him..if only teh KG was run at a bermuda tringle course eh?
 
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if they ever run the national at haydock or wetherby..they will have to go round 20 times just to make sure they done the distance
 
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Will be interesting if something like Kings Palace takes on Coneygree for the lead in this race or maybe one of the leading stables (no names) will put one in to create just that scenario for a couple of miles. I can't help feeling last seasons CGC may have taken something out of Coneygree too, that wouldn't have surfaced at Sandown.

Intriguing.
 
Grasshopper said:
3m round Wetherby in a small-field where you're massively favoured at the weights, is an altogether easier test of stamina than 3m2f round Newbury giving weight to 95% of the field - even you know that.
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im not denying that and the henessey is hard 3m 2f but there has been a lot of nonsense spouted about this horse on very tenuous grounds.

the trainer was right to be adamant he stayed 3 miles. the forum was wrong
 
clivex said:
im not denying that and the henessey is hard 3m 2f but there has been a lot of nonsense spouted about this horse on very tenuous grounds.

the trainer was right to be adamant he stayed 3 miles. the forum was wrong
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wrong...its punters getting spoonfed nonsense about distances actually competed over that are wrong

the problem with this game is that punters will let themselves be shagged up ass with any old info given to them,,,its forums like these that help to highlight issues where courses have been putting up false distances for years

start questioning whats being fed you rather than criticising people who find inaccuracies and highlight them.

if you don't think accurate distances matter..do this exercise..take one hundred races over 3 miles...see what was in the lead at the last fence..call that horse the winner...and then compare that with what actually won the race..you will find that if races are judged on shorter than they should be you will get different outcome.
 
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clivex said:
im not denying that and the henessey is hard 3m 2f but there has been a lot of nonsense spouted about this horse on very tenuous grounds.

the trainer was right to be adamant he stayed 3 miles. the forum was wrong
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Wetherby was about as much a 3m test as Haydock was 2 years ago. We'll see how wrong the forum was if he takes in the KG.
 
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Wetherby was about as much a 3m test as Haydock was 2 years ago. We'll see how wrong the forum was if he takes in the KG.
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thats bollocks. its measured to the inch now. as you know.

why try to convince otherwise? point being?

frankly it became a childish mantra here based on some stupid assessment on the betfair which even if it had been run at 2 furlongs less than stated ...unlikely... would have been a galloped away 2m 7f in soft going

i think even a five year old could work out thats a pretty damned close to staying three miles

yes i would far rather listen to a trainer than two bob reading of form
 
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granger said:
On paper it looks a stronger than average renewal

Anyone have any concerns about SDR maybe being a flat track bully?
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At his price yes. Can't deny he's in the best of hands but he has a serious question to answer when he's put under pressure in a race.
 
Cue Card is like a superior version of Champagne Fever. He should stay 3m+ but is too keen in his races and against top notchers will always be found out at that sort of trip.
 
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