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The Hennessy (Newbury)
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SlimChance
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Backing your own opinion. LOL
DannyB
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Look no further than a second season chaser for this....come to think of it look no further than Coneygree to put in a Denmanesque performance 
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EC1
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Coneygree is a 180+ horse on his GC win imo...the officia mark is a joke imo.
His win on Sunday was ultra impressive..beating a 147 horse might not impress some..but he beat it senseless eased down by 25 lengths..might have been 35+..giving 6lbs...thats easily a 180+ just on its own
can't see beyond it mesen
His win on Sunday was ultra impressive..beating a 147 horse might not impress some..but he beat it senseless eased down by 25 lengths..might have been 35+..giving 6lbs...thats easily a 180+ just on its own
can't see beyond it mesen
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Euronymous
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Would fancy Coneygree more for this than the Gold Cup where the strong possibilty of good ground is a turn off at his current price.
Grasshopper
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long run was beaten in a handicap before winning the KG...so you would rate teh GC off Djak being a 142 horse?
what rating is Coneygree in your opinion?
do you think he is well in for the henessey?
i may have more questions
what rating is Coneygree in your opinion?
do you think he is well in for the henessey?
i may have more questions
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Frankel
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It was a brilliant Gold Cup and I thought I was watching one of top drawer.
Coneygree will take some beating in the Hennessy. SDR if his jumping holds up under the most serious scrutiny from Coneygree could be a big threat.
Djakadam in the Hennessy, you can easily write that race off in terms of where he finished.
Coneygree will take some beating in the Hennessy. SDR if his jumping holds up under the most serious scrutiny from Coneygree could be a big threat.
Djakadam in the Hennessy, you can easily write that race off in terms of where he finished.
EC1
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if Coneygree is to win the hennessey then he will need to be a 180 horse ..so anyone that believes he can win must also disagree with the mark he has been given.
If you designed a horse for the race it would be this one wouldn't it.
it was simply the way he skipped round on Sunday that resonated . Form can be interpreted any way you like but it was such near faultless first time out performance with such consummate ease
it was simply the way he skipped round on Sunday that resonated . Form can be interpreted any way you like but it was such near faultless first time out performance with such consummate ease
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I think another thing to take into account is the impact an strong Gold Cup race has had on recent past winners. It was not unreasonable to anticipate that Coneygree might have regressed coming into this season. Sunday suggested quite the opposite. He might just be a much better horse again this season, which is pretty frightening.
If the word soft is in the ground i will be backing him, if it was good ground i'd have my doubts.
On soft ground he's a monster and his GC seems to have been underrated in my opinion but had the ground been as it was on the Tues/Thurs that week in March, i'm not sure he would have won it.
Love the horse though, just the way he goes about it.
On soft ground he's a monster and his GC seems to have been underrated in my opinion but had the ground been as it was on the Tues/Thurs that week in March, i'm not sure he would have won it.
Love the horse though, just the way he goes about it.
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No because If Djakadam ran Coneygree's race from the front in the GC I'm pretty sure he'd have been beaten a lot further than 1/2 length.
Grasshopper
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long run was beaten in a handicap before winning the KG...so you would rate teh GC off Djak being a 142 horse?
what rating is Coneygree in your opinion?
do you think he is well in for the henessey?
i may have more questions
First tell me what "180+" means.
Is it 181, 189 or somewhere in between?
Obviously, you will yourself want to ensure accuracy in the mark you claim he must be on.
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First tell me what "180+" means.
Is it 181, 189 or somewhere in between?
Obviously, you will yourself want to ensure accuracy in the mark you claim he must be on.
don't do a Clive on me and ignore the questions
i'll make a start at 180..thaya roughly where i have him
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Grasshopper
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Fair dooz.
I have Coneygree on 174 after the Gold Cup, but I confess that last weekend's run did leave me wondering if he isn't probably better than that.
i tend towards the cautious when rating horses anyway, and a 180 performance isn't something I can agree with - not when the form was let down (relative term) by both Djakadam and RTR at Punchestown. But Coneygree (as has been alluded to by Fonz) is possibly better value than the winning distance of the Gold Cup suggested.
Insofar as his Hennessy chance is concerned, I've previously made the comparison with Denman, and feel disinclined to write-off Coneygree's chance under a big-rating/welter-burden, as easily (and erroneously) as I did the Tank's a few years back. I don't know if he is particularly well-in at Newbury, but I'd be pretty confident that the test will suit him better than any other horse in the race, and the concession of weight all-round might not stop him.
At this stage, you would need a microscope to find any holes in Coneygree, and you might waste a lot of time looking before realising that there aren't any. And regardless of all my hopes for Vautour, and the quality of Don Cossack, I have to agree that - at this stage - Coneygree should be a clear (and worthy) favourite for the 2016 Gold Cup.
I have Coneygree on 174 after the Gold Cup, but I confess that last weekend's run did leave me wondering if he isn't probably better than that.
i tend towards the cautious when rating horses anyway, and a 180 performance isn't something I can agree with - not when the form was let down (relative term) by both Djakadam and RTR at Punchestown. But Coneygree (as has been alluded to by Fonz) is possibly better value than the winning distance of the Gold Cup suggested.
Insofar as his Hennessy chance is concerned, I've previously made the comparison with Denman, and feel disinclined to write-off Coneygree's chance under a big-rating/welter-burden, as easily (and erroneously) as I did the Tank's a few years back. I don't know if he is particularly well-in at Newbury, but I'd be pretty confident that the test will suit him better than any other horse in the race, and the concession of weight all-round might not stop him.
At this stage, you would need a microscope to find any holes in Coneygree, and you might waste a lot of time looking before realising that there aren't any. And regardless of all my hopes for Vautour, and the quality of Don Cossack, I have to agree that - at this stage - Coneygree should be a clear (and worthy) favourite for the 2016 Gold Cup.
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EC1
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fair assessment..he's hard to knock with his run style mainly isn't he?..its so simple..just run ...won't find trouble..won't get impeded..its the best run style for the jumps altogether really
a race between him Vautour and the Don..would be one to travel to see..i do hope we get to see such a race..and then have nowt go wrong during the race with any of them...all three coming into the straight..all to play for.
a race between him Vautour and the Don..would be one to travel to see..i do hope we get to see such a race..and then have nowt go wrong during the race with any of them...all three coming into the straight..all to play for.
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Not sure I understand. Do you think you may have got smaller?
Houblon Des Obeaux nearly won the race off 11-12 last year and Coneygree is a miles better horse.
I do think Saphir Du Rheu is going to reach the heights Nicholls' believes he will but this could be too much of a test too soon and while I can normally see the benefit of running a top class prospect in this race prior to the handicapper taking charge (one Man, Teeton Mill et al), running him of a likely 11-3 wouldn't necessarily scream "good thing".
If it does at Ditcheat then he must be something pretty special indeed.
I do think Saphir Du Rheu is going to reach the heights Nicholls' believes he will but this could be too much of a test too soon and while I can normally see the benefit of running a top class prospect in this race prior to the handicapper taking charge (one Man, Teeton Mill et al), running him of a likely 11-3 wouldn't necessarily scream "good thing".
If it does at Ditcheat then he must be something pretty special indeed.
Perpetual
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Agreed wilsonl and think Saphir would have to be something very very special to beat Coneygree on soft ground in receipt of only 9lb. He’s run 4 times over fences and failed to complete twice (both times behind Coneygree) & Newbury will be completely different to a jaunt round Carlisle…
