You are a prize knob who runs away when the going gets tough.
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You are a prize knob who runs away when the going gets tough.
Your post reminds me of these english footballers, such as the prize idiot Lampard, who show their love for their recently deceased family by pointing at the sky. If you really, really loved someone, you would not be able to posture with such a fickle show of emotion.
For the record I know two things about one of my mothers grandfathers he was in the Dardanelles and when he got home he liked a drink.
Was he part of a glorious campaign or the complete madness of a war where neither side was right nor wrong.God knows what he saw-and I don't blame him for drinking to forget about it.
Was he part of a glorious campaign or the complete madness of a war where neither side was right nor wrong.God knows what he saw-and I don't blame him for drinking to forget about it.
trackside528
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I'm making a general point, clive, not challenging the moral legitimacy of World War II.
Seeing the bigger picture is something an awful lot of people (yourself included) seem entirely unwilling to do on this issue.
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That is an unbelievably nasty post about Lampard Hamm
Really disgusting. Debating someones response to grief is about as low as it can possibly get and no one has any right at all to speculate upon someones feelings about losing a parent (especially given her young age and the pure shcck of it), even if they knew the person well, let alone not at all
A true low as anyone who has exeprienced unexpected a sudden losses in a family will know too well
How DARE anyone comment on someones inner feelings
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Trackside... fair enough although i did point out i understood the "thin end of wedge" argument
Really disgusting. Debating someones response to grief is about as low as it can possibly get and no one has any right at all to speculate upon someones feelings about losing a parent (especially given her young age and the pure shcck of it), even if they knew the person well, let alone not at all
A true low as anyone who has exeprienced unexpected a sudden losses in a family will know too well
How DARE anyone comment on someones inner feelings
Repulsive
Trackside... fair enough although i did point out i understood the "thin end of wedge" argument
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Bar the Bull
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I also think the post about Lampard is a load of bollocks. Fair play to Frank that he felt able to show his emotions like that.
I have absolutely no issue with the poppy. However, the fact that some people do surely makes it political, no?
And I think it is fair to just say no to all such requests.
I have absolutely no issue with the poppy. However, the fact that some people do surely makes it political, no?
And I think it is fair to just say no to all such requests.
G-G
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Irish soldiers fought on the side of the British/Allies in the first World war, why would they deem a poppy offensive?
It's British tradition to wear a poppy in remembrance. If any other country has a problem with that, that's their problem.
It's nothing to do with politics. It is to remember those who fought and died, in my case two great uncles in WW1, two uncles in WW2, and those who served who are no longer with us, my father, and to show those who are still here that we have not forgotten what they did, or what our armed forces are doing now, whether I as an individual agree with it or not.
It's British tradition to wear a poppy in remembrance. If any other country has a problem with that, that's their problem.
It's nothing to do with politics. It is to remember those who fought and died, in my case two great uncles in WW1, two uncles in WW2, and those who served who are no longer with us, my father, and to show those who are still here that we have not forgotten what they did, or what our armed forces are doing now, whether I as an individual agree with it or not.
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Colin Phillips
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Thought it was rather tacky, myself..............but each to his own.
Bar the Bull
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Not all Irish people are happy about the fact. Some find it offensive because the British army is reckoned to be responsible for a few problems in Ireland.
Fine. But not in a sporting arena.
Not to you.
Getting back to the original objection by FIFA, how exactly is it a 'political' thing? It may be classed as nationalistic, but the England team would have requested to wear the poppy on the shirts regardless of what political party were in power. I really don't get the 'political' bit.
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We ALL experience losses and know how it feels.
It is part of the modern footballer to express them, rock a baby and all the other sh*t they do; all part of the false veneer of the modern footballer - if you honestly think that is anything but wanting to be SEEN to be thinking about his loss, then good luck to you. Anyone truly devastated does not do this looking to heaven bullsh*t. I mean, should I do that when I do something well at work and then think of someone gone, when having a pint and think of someone gone, when whatever - it is all for show.
Do any other sportspeople do this? Stop taking this personally for 'Frank' and step outside of the clan mentality of the english football fan - you don't know Lampard and shouldn't be insulted by someone expressing an opinion on him.
It is not replusive to have an opinion, and you would really want to have a look at yourself as to why you have to make every single post an extreme one, or something that puts someone in some pigeonhole or other.
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Erm explain please? Runs away from who or what exactly...and whats got tough??
Your mouse is getting carried away Lukey boy
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Be very careful with your words. There is one thing strongly disagreeing with someone, another thing entirely using words which describe the lowest few in society.
I think it is pure showmanship how footballers, using Lampard as an example, look to heaven and all this other bullshit. If you disagree, fine, say so, and say so strongly, but leave it at that.
I think it is pure showmanship how footballers, using Lampard as an example, look to heaven and all this other bullshit. If you disagree, fine, say so, and say so strongly, but leave it at that.
Colin Phillips
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Don't see this thread going anywhere useful, can I suggest it is closed before someone stalks off into the sunset (again!).
Sheikh
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but I'd just opened a packet of popcorn.......
Irish Presidential election thread when you were huffing and puffing possibly after a few drinks but you weren't long about running away with your tail between your legs.
Funny, isn't it, how such a humble little flower as a poppy could spark such a huge and heated debate?
I'm a bit mystified though, as to why FIFA bans charities, but allows advertising of multinational businesses on footballers' strips.
I'm a bit mystified though, as to why FIFA bans charities, but allows advertising of multinational businesses on footballers' strips.
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Everyone can understand that war is a horrendous experience for those who go through it and that far too many young men and women lost their lives or their sanity in the trenches and elsewhere during the two world wars. Two of my grand uncles were killed during WW1, one in Flanders and one at sea. If this was all that the poppy was about, a reminder of the human price that is paid when countries go to war, I would be all in favour, and I know that many people who wear it do so for this reason.
I have a queasy feeling, however, that for some in the British establishment there is more to it than that. For example the poster with Helen Mirren, which says 'The troops are the real stars', is straying into different territory. Here is an attempt to use remembrance of past sacrifice in order to enlist sympathy, if not support, for the military campaigns of today. This tendency is a relatively recent thing, and as Grassy mentions, what used to be an individual choice is becoming an institutional obligation for the likes of BBC presenters, even in Northern Ireland, and footballers.
I have a queasy feeling, however, that for some in the British establishment there is more to it than that. For example the poster with Helen Mirren, which says 'The troops are the real stars', is straying into different territory. Here is an attempt to use remembrance of past sacrifice in order to enlist sympathy, if not support, for the military campaigns of today. This tendency is a relatively recent thing, and as Grassy mentions, what used to be an individual choice is becoming an institutional obligation for the likes of BBC presenters, even in Northern Ireland, and footballers.
G-G
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Not all Irish people are happy about their president.
Some don't find it offensive. Irish soldiers volunteered, they were not compelled to fight for the British. The Irish government could have declared themselves neutral.
So not in a restaurant, or a pop concert, or in the street, or in an office......
It's nothing to do with politics. It's symbol of remembrance. The men who stand at the Menin Gate EVERY day are not making a political statement.
And whoever said it was defeating the Nazis, the poppy is from the First World War, not the Second, although used to commerate those lost in that conflict as well as others.
Oh yes of course I told you to grow a pair didn't I ? how right you are............sorry Luke
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