The Poppy
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No Luke, no "bluff and bluster"...you just have a nationalistic/"republican" viewpoint and now I'm "running off again " because I've had "a few drinks"
Oh which interest was that then l? I think the explanation was pretty clear, but if youre slow...well so be it
Belgium ? France? Oddly enough i dont think they were part of the british empire
or perhaps the "interest" of not being under direct threat once these countries had fallen? something wrong with that? i suspect there is in your book...
pity england wasnt wiped out wasnt it?
Belgium ? France? Oddly enough i dont think they were part of the british empire
or perhaps the "interest" of not being under direct threat once these countries had fallen? something wrong with that? i suspect there is in your book...
pity england wasnt wiped out wasnt it?
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Clive......he called me a Knob so don't call him names too!!....we've all been "drinking".According to him...he's making himself look what he is
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Let's get this straight you believe the British Empire fought the first world war for purely selfless reasons.
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I would love to think you are being ironic as opposed to moronic.
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nice post
swedish chef
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I believe that life is a gift of God and that progress and prosperity is in the reach of every human being. ‘Love thy neighbour’ will unravel all the evils.
In these changing times the need of co-existence far exceeds our banal animal instincts to fight, the powers in the last millenniums had very little business but to go at war, now we have learned the banality of war and should make peace and love. Role of learning in the age of discovery- Humans have engaged in cruel and terrible behavior as far back as we can piece together our history. One question that emerges is whether we are growing more violent toward each other.
I wished Columbus was working with Starfleet General Order 1 ‘The Prime Directive,’ when he discovered Americas. One of Starfleet's most important binding principles about non interference in another culture's internal affairs, natural development and progression. Alas 1492 was not 23rd century. "No identification of self or mission. No interference with the social development of said planet. No references to space, other worlds, or advanced civilizations."
Cognitive scientist Stephen Pinker argues that human violence is actually decreasing in his book, "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined." His exploration of the history of human violence ranges from neuroscience to the poetry of Homer. His research offers some hope that we are evolving from our more brutal past due to development of our capacity for empathy and compassion.
Steven Pinker thinks that though 'we believe our world is riddled with terror and war, but we may be living in the most peaceable era in human existence. Why brutality is declining and empathy is on the rise. With all its wars, murder and genocide, history might suggest that the taste for blood is human nature. "What is the world coming to?" But a better question may be, "How bad was the world in the past?"
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In these changing times the need of co-existence far exceeds our banal animal instincts to fight, the powers in the last millenniums had very little business but to go at war, now we have learned the banality of war and should make peace and love. Role of learning in the age of discovery- Humans have engaged in cruel and terrible behavior as far back as we can piece together our history. One question that emerges is whether we are growing more violent toward each other.
I wished Columbus was working with Starfleet General Order 1 ‘The Prime Directive,’ when he discovered Americas. One of Starfleet's most important binding principles about non interference in another culture's internal affairs, natural development and progression. Alas 1492 was not 23rd century. "No identification of self or mission. No interference with the social development of said planet. No references to space, other worlds, or advanced civilizations."
Cognitive scientist Stephen Pinker argues that human violence is actually decreasing in his book, "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined." His exploration of the history of human violence ranges from neuroscience to the poetry of Homer. His research offers some hope that we are evolving from our more brutal past due to development of our capacity for empathy and compassion.
Steven Pinker thinks that though 'we believe our world is riddled with terror and war, but we may be living in the most peaceable era in human existence. Why brutality is declining and empathy is on the rise. With all its wars, murder and genocide, history might suggest that the taste for blood is human nature. "What is the world coming to?" But a better question may be, "How bad was the world in the past?"
Iqbal Latif (Newsvine)
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England and New Zealand rugby teams playing, both with poppies on their shirts. Well the rugby lads.
Thanks Gareth, shows how much football I watch!
There was not one word of a sneer in what I said on this subject. I used the term "British establishment" to collectively refer to the Prime Minister and Prince William, the military top brass, the FA hierarchy, etc. Nothing wrong in that.
I respect the approach of the likes of Tout Seul and Swedish Chef, who want remembrance to be about the soldiers who have gone to war, what they endured, and the courage and dignity most of them displayed in the face of dire circumstances. I have been myself to many of the cemeteries in Flanders and northern France, and even to Gallipoli in Turkey, for this very reason. Beware those, however, who would use their sacrifice for other purposes.
EC1
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you could take a negative view about everything in life though Grey
some people always see an ulterior motive in others actions..when in fact there isn't one
i really can't see how footballers wearing poppies has any ulterior motive..bar showing respect to those taht gave their lives
i'm quite a cynical person..but you know... if you let it infringe on every action others do then your life ends up with no nicety left
cynicism to me can be very personally destructive..there's a lot of it about..some posts on this thread display some folk who don't enjoy life very much imo
I'm not a big soccer fan but answer me this how many English players have worn the poppy or a something equivalent over the last 10 years when England played International matches in November.
Is/was it always the players own choice to wear or not to wear the poppy or is the decision made by the football association.
Is/was it always the players own choice to wear or not to wear the poppy or is the decision made by the football association.
Players cannot wear individual symbols (or whatever we should call them ) full stop. Thats a most definite FIFA rule
If that suggestion is somehow supposed to indicate that players didn't care before the FA idea, then thats not unexpected but pretty shoddy to say the least
OK Grey, I will take back the sneer comment but I agree EC. Response should have been its our business and we dont give a monkeys what others think about it
If that suggestion is somehow supposed to indicate that players didn't care before the FA idea, then thats not unexpected but pretty shoddy to say the least
OK Grey, I will take back the sneer comment but I agree EC. Response should have been its our business and we dont give a monkeys what others think about it
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trackside528
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No point getting personal.
Is there much more to say about this issue, come to think of it?
Would anybody be opposed to my locking the thread, given that there really doesn't seem to be a huge pile more to say at this stage?
Is there much more to say about this issue, come to think of it?
Would anybody be opposed to my locking the thread, given that there really doesn't seem to be a huge pile more to say at this stage?
I will finish this off now. The "british empires" fought the first world war for the reasons i gave. To stop a german controlled europe on its doorstep, which would be a clear threat, and maybe just maybe, to also liberate allies that had been attacked
You may have a problem with that. I dont
You may have a problem with that. I dont
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EC1
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thread should have been over before it started..its a blot on the forum
it was posted to bait people..hence starter never replied once on it
thread should have been over before it started..its a blot on the forum
it was posted to bait people..hence starter never replied once on it
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My only problem is that your analysis is untrue-fairytale stuff-I presume your main sources were Warlord and Victor.
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