The Road to the 2012 2000 Guineas

i'll wheel this stat out so you can all ignore it later if its proven correct again..but ram it down my throat if its wrong;)
Racing Post Trophy winners don't win guineas..so 3/1 on Camelot is the lay of the season to come ;)
 
EC1 said:
i'll wheel this stat out so you can all ignore it later if its proven correct again..but ram it down my throat if its wrong;)
Racing Post Trophy winners don't win guineas..so 3/1 on Camelot is the lay of the season to come ;)
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How many 2000 Guineas winners have run in a RP Trophy?
 
High Top in '72 the last to win both. Although American Post won a French Guineas by accident.
 
On The Bridle said:
I'd imagine none Bruce
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Thanks On The Bridle.

Not a race that 2000 Guineas winners really target so the statistic about The Racing Post Trophy in relation to the 2000 Guineas holds no significance at all.

Always thought of it as a Derby intended run anyway, yourself?
 
Bruce_Savage said:
Thanks On The Bridle.

Not a race that 2000 Guineas winners really target so the statistic about The Racing Post Trophy in relation to the 2000 Guineas holds no significance at all.

Always thought of it as a Derby intended run anyway, yourself?
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2000 guneas winners wouldn't really target the RPT seeing as how the RPT comes first

you seem to be going out of your way to try and naysay a lot of my posts Bruce..getting a bit tired of it..particularly as in the above example you seem to have no idea what you are talking about

pick another target chap..its getting tedious
 
EC1 said:
2000 guneas winners wouldn't really target the RPT seeing as how the RPT comes first

you seem to be going out of your way to try and naysay a lot of my posts Bruce..getting a bit tired of it..particularly as in the above example you seem to have no idea what you are talking about

pick another target chap..its getting tedious
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You quite clearly have failed to grasp the understandings of statistics.

As educated in the field of statistical data and analysis to degree level at one of the 15 Top Universities in the UK I can categorically say that your evidence on the 2000 Guineas based on RP Trophy winners holds no significance.

You can take that how you wish, I am not targeting you but clearly posting my opinions on the subject in hand. If, I feel a member may be going off track with some of their suggestions I will try to offer another side of the debate that if they wish to take on board then it can contribute to a greater debate or if you wish to go down the feeling sorry for yourself with max paranoia then it's more to do with your own insecurities about what you're saying and would rather shut down the debate before anything goes beyond your intellectual level of ability.
 
How many Racing Post Trophies were run at a steady pace, on fast ground, yet the winner had the rest of the field on toast from fully 2f out? :lol:
 
I like Camelot for this. I think Coolmore have a very good chance to improve Montjeu's profile as a sire allowing Camelot (and Wading in the 1000 gns ) to run here. I think he's got enough speed.
I don't think Harbour Watch will line up and Nephrite seems tailor made for the Poule in France instead.
 
Wouldn't oppose him having looked at the main contenders today. The 1000 looks a better race to get stuck into anyway.
 
Im passing on the Dewhurst form. Finished all a bit too close together. Will Nephrite be another Pivotal that needs the ground? Way things are going, he wont get it
 
From RP..

AIDAN O'BRIEN on Sunday warned that it would be "wrong" to say that 5-2 favourite Camelot was "likely" for the Qipco 2,000 Guineas after he was one of 44 Ballydoyle horses to work after racing at the Curragh.

Camelot, ridden by the trainer's son Joseph, quickened up well up the stands' rail at the end of aseven and a half furlong gallop to finish second in the first bunch of O'Brien's workers, which also included Ascot Gold Cup favourite Fame And Glory.

O'Brien did not rule out the 2,000 Guineas, but did not confirm that it was Camelot's target either.

He said: "It would be wrong to say that he is likely [to run in the 2,000 Guineas]. Obviously he's a possible, but not definite."



That dude who had 100K on must be ******* shitting himself.
 
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So Camelot is a 'definite possible' but only a 'possible definite'.

To be having 100k on you must know something. Surely.
 
Irish Stamp said:
This isn't news - he's been out of the Guineas since October :(
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It's a recent setback for HW additional to his hind leg injury at the end of last season. They'll attempt to get him to the Guineas but it's looking less likely now and Ladbrokes have removed him from betting.
 
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Zenyatta said:
So Camelot is a 'definite possible' but only a 'possible definite'.

To be having 100k on you must know something. Surely.
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Unless some of the others at Ballydoyle start to show he'll probably run (even though he'll be better suited to middle distances). Power for example has had a setback in his preparation which would swing things back toward Camelot running, as he appears to be quite forward.
 
Ladbrokes remove any runner who's participation is in doubt from their ante post lists.
 
SlimChance said:
Ladbrokes remove any runner who's participation is in doubt from their ante post lists.
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They'd only be quoting a handful at this stage if that were always the case. Power for example may not be ready in time after a setback... they're still quoting him. AOB has said that Camelot is not certain, but they're still quoting him.

Ladbrokes is taking a view that HW is unlikely to line up despite the yard's commitment to get him there if possible.
 
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