The UK Political Landscape

Cheers that thread gave a good laugh at least :-)

That wet wank Sir Keir of Brussels and the rabble of such as Burgon and Butler a government in waiting???? LMFAO !!!

If that was the case then when the tories got caned in the Shropshire by election , liebour's vote share wouldn't have dropped from 22.1% to 9.7%.

If you think the BBC and Ch4 are 'right wing' then your overton window is certainly in an interesting place.

Please give me another laugh and again start advocating for a 'benevolent' dictator i.e. a leftist one that will impose your desired pro eu and socialist policies regardless of the majority eh?
 
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The Labour voters had the sense to vote tactically even though they weren’t officially advised to do so. Let’s just hope everyone continues to do so.
 
Please tell me exactly what Starmer actually says? Except for moaning and griping. He comes up with zero suggestions.

And whether or not you like this government, they have been thrown into the most unprecedented sh*tstorm the entire human race has ever experienced. Every. Single. Country is experiencing extreme problems that are constantly changing. How many governments are actually doing any better than us? We have a hugely dense population in a relatively small area so of course the spread of any highly contagious disease is going to be rampant. Yes mistakes have been made but they have in other countries too. Look at the vaccine roll out here compared to Europe! And while I am having a mild rant....why are we blaming the government for people’s poor behaviour? Or complete lack of common sense?

The lefty media loathe Boris for Brexit. Simple. And they will take every opportunity to lambast him for any issue. In fact I am surprised that he isn’t getting the blame for Lewis Hamilton being denied an 8th F1 Championship...are we completely sure he didn’t email to get the rules changed last minute....I am sure someone will find a leak somewhere.
 
jinnyj said:
why are we blaming the government for people’s poor behaviour? Or complete lack of common sense?
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While I accept that people are personally responsible for their own behaviour, the messages and advice are entirely wishy-washy, if I may indulge in a pantomime pun in keeping with a pantomime government.

They're coming out with 'rules' but telling us they're guidelines while getting the police to enforce the rules while they break them right left and centre. Members of the government and their advisors appear unable to agree about anything.

That's okay. I don't have a problem with disagreement; it can be healthy, but no-one is taking a lead and the scientists are now being ignored.

These are not unprecedented times - there have been pandemics which have killed millions before but we now know more about them and are better placed to try and tackle them.


The scientists - not the government - have done brilliantly with the virus. The government totally fucked up the PPE supplies and storage situation.

I know for a fact warning were issued a number of years ago to public institutions about a possible SARS pandemic coming down the pipeline and contingency issues were put in place but when it didn't materialise everything was abandoned, leaving the country totally unprepared for this pandemic.

The government got it totally wrong at the outset, with Johnson taking the Trumpian attitude of it being just a mild virus not unlike the cold; that we can go for herd immunity and we'll all be fine. They criticised the scientists for issuing warnings - which have since been validated - about hundreds of thousands of deaths. They sacked the guy Ferguson for breaking rules while they were breaking them themselves.

Starmer is irrelevant in all of this. He can make all the suggestions he wants - good or bad - but is powerless to get anything done. Maybe that's why he isn't offering any. He's a QC, an intelligent guy. I've said before I'm disappointed in him (since I'm a Labour voter) but I can see why it's tactically a good idea not to say anything as it puts him in a no-win situation.
 
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Please tell me exactly what Starmer actually says? Except for moaning and griping. He comes up with zero suggestions.

And whether or not you like this government, they have been thrown into the most unprecedented sh*tstorm the entire human race has ever experienced. Every. Single. Country is experiencing extreme problems that are constantly changing. How many governments are actually doing any better than us? We have a hugely dense population in a relatively small area so of course the spread of any highly contagious disease is going to be rampant. Yes mistakes have been made but they have in other countries too. Look at the vaccine roll out here compared to Europe! And while I am having a mild rant....why are we blaming the government for people’s poor behaviour? Or complete lack of common sense?

The lefty media loathe Boris for Brexit. Simple. And they will take every opportunity to lambast him for any issue. In fact I am surprised that he isn’t getting the blame for Lewis Hamilton being denied an 8th F1 Championship...are we completely sure he didn’t email to get the rules changed last minute....I am sure someone will find a leak somewhere.
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Agree. Starmer a huge disappointment particularly after Corbyn who was a nightmare in every which way.

The government is damned if they do and damned if they don't. They can't win. The attitude of too many of the population is 'doesn't apply to me' and that is at the route of the problem. If people stuck to the rules, the numbers would be drastically reduced.
If civil servants don't, doesn't excuse the rest of the population. If one of them murdered someone and is not persecuted for it, doesn't give anyone else carte blanche to ignore the law against murder and carry one out thinking ' well they got away with it, so should I'. I don't see the difference personally. The law's the law. Rules are rules.
Ascot at the weekend; condition of entry must prove double vaccinated, so people waving certificates on queue to get in, including me, but how do they know I had my certificate and I hadn't borrowed it from someone else number one?
Number two, whilst inside you must wear a mask unless you are eating or drinking, no claims of being exempt. If I had been given a Pound for everyone wandering with no glass or burger in their hand without a mask, I'd have come away rich. And nobody pulling these people up. So what's the point where we did whilst walking from the paddock to the front, but we were definitely in the minority.
Where I work, I've been going in all the way through as someone has to and I volunteered. For some time have had to take a lateral flow test and record result on intranet. Which I have said is pointless as if it wasn't negative, I wouldn't have gone in would I so why record it's negative... anyway, after recent lifting of, although bods have said don't have to go in if don't want to, one particular woman comes in for first time in 15 months, who is workshy at best of time, she's walking around with no mask. You are not allowed to leave your desk without a mask on. Even the cleaner who is exempt has been told she has to wear one. Workshy walking up to the other 2 bods in that day and standing over them talking to them, no social distancing, which is another rule of us going in. In the end I say Workshy you have to wear a mask while wandering or Facilties woman will have a fit - her nickname is Eva Braun - no darling she says ( grrrrrrrr ) I'm exempt. Why? I don't believe in it, no way am I getting vaccinated.... I always found out that 3 months earlier she had apparently been in ITU very sick with it but this is her attitude. I complain to my manager, everyone else sticks to the rules and yet she is allowed to flaunt them with such arrogance as well. I said she should not be allowed in the building end of. End of. Even without the vaccine, the mask issued should be the deal breaker . My manager agrees but goes to the powers that make the decisions, both of whom have not set foot in the building since the last race at Cheltenham 2020,and it's 'well you know, we can't make her' Well yes you b can! Everyone else who's been in the building has, and has been checked on by patrols by Facility bods, and yet this total waste of space..... I said if I go in and she's there I am turning right round and walking back out, and I have a 40 round trip and can't afford to waste the petrol. With that kind of attitude by her and 'the managers' who won't enforce it, that's one of the roots of the speed of the spread of all the types of the virus when the conditions are not adhered to.
 
Hunt was, I believe, Health Secretary when they did Operation Cygnus but we ended up with out of date PPE when we did actually have a pandemic. And Johnson missed how many COBRA meetings last spring? Too busy getting brexit done (still isn’t done) and sorting out his divorce. At which time my family were being proactive and setting up a covid support group for sick and elderly people. He understood nothing about how the virus spread and didn’t know that people could be asymptomatic. Even now he’s saying ‘ we won’t hesitate to act’ while doing just that.
 
A friend of mine has pointed out an interesting observation of “that photo” It was supposedly taken on May 15th 2020. Carrie Johnson has given birth on April 29th. Yet she’s here, sitting at a “party” having left her newborn baby of two weeks.....to go to a party? Really? What new mother actually does that? She does not have the baby on her lap, but the dog, Dilyn. And the dog in close up looks more like puppy stage than the adult it would have been by then.

I will wager that this is a fake photo by the Guardian to discredit the PM.
 
I think it beyond belief that a newspaper would fake a photo to discredit him. He is quite capable of doing that on an increasingly regular basis. Also, there would be a record of his movements on that day. And not a single government member, let alone Johnson, has disputed the photo.
 
Including its patently obvious from where the photo was taken.

Didn't Boris "fake" a photo with Carrie (a chat in the garden) the day after they had an fight in their apartment reported?

It's nice to see he has some people defending him.
 
Also, I understand the Mail on Sunday (hardly left wing) has reported that there is further unexpurgated footage of Allegra Stretton practising answering questions on his "love children", mistresses and affairs, financial matters, etc. How can you discredit the most discreditable PM in living memory? And let`s not forget many described him as the worst Foreign Secretary in modern times. And does anybody seriously believe he would adopt any suggestion put forward by Starmer, no matter how much merit it may have?
 
jinnyj said:
A friend of mine has pointed out an interesting observation of “that photo” It was supposedly taken on May 15th 2020. Carrie Johnson has given birth on April 29th. Yet she’s here, sitting at a “party” having left her newborn baby of two weeks.....to go to a party? Really? What new mother actually does that? She does not have the baby on her lap, but the dog, Dilyn. And the dog in close up looks more like puppy stage than the adult it would have been by then.

I will wager that this is a fake photo by the Guardian to discredit the PM.
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This is tin-foil-hat stuff, jinnyj. If the photo was in any way fake, the Govt would have been all over it - instead of trying to convince us with their 'Drinks after a meeting, still means you're working' bulls*hit.
 
A whole country taken for mugs...and he`ll still remain in office. What an awful country we`ve become. Well, at least we will get the national anthem played on the BBC if Mad Nad has here way! The rest of the world must be laughing at us.
And I see his "employer", the Daily Telegraph, doesn`t even lead with the story this morning. The usual elements of the gutter press will soon be circling the wagons to save him. Shameful!
 
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Desperate Dan said:
A whole country taken for mugs...and he`ll still remain in office. What an awful country we`ve become.
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Indeed. We've been going down the pan for some time. The bankers that caused the first crash (2008?) should have been jailed for life. That might have focused minds and consciences.

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Well, at least we will get the national anthem played on the BBC if Mad Nad has here way! The rest of the world must be laughing at us.
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I'm anti-monarchy (any monarchy, not just ours) but I don't mind the idea in principle of a National Anthem being played on TV at the right time (ie when no cvnt's watching or listening). They do it in many countries and in places like USA regardless of political allegiances the vast majority of people respect the anthem. It's just a shame ours is dedicated to a bunch of fvckwit inbreds. But at least it's better than Flower Of Scotland...

Sometimes I wish I was Welsh. Their anthem is very stirring.

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The rest of the world must be laughing at us.
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I think the rest of the world has been laughing at us for many years. We ceased to be a global power many years ago yet cling on to the idea of our own importance.
 
Harold Macmillan said in the late fifties when he became PM that his job was to manage Britain’s decline. For donkey’s years we had been led to believe that Britain was the tops in everything, despite evidence to the contrary which has become more and more stark over the years. Yet today we are still being hoodwinked and barely a political speech goes past without some chest thumping that Britain leads the world in this, that or another.

Thatcher tried to reverse the flow with disastrous results. Reasonable enough policy to kill off the dead and dying industries, but replacing them with nothing but the fanciful notion that the city money men would provide, jeez! Desert points out how that went. Where was the investment in the new industries to replace the old? Where is our computer industry? Where is our Silicon Valley? Where is etc etc?

So here we are today with a Government that still trumpets that Britain leads the world and so much believes in its own false rhetoric (does it, if the truth were known?) that it has isolated us. I fear for our country and my grandchildren.
 
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Where is our computer industry? Where is our Silicon Valley? Where is etc etc?
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Dublin mainly Barjon, and to a lesser extent the rest of Ireland (Rep of). Interestingly I began working in the Foreign Direct Investment technology sectors (semiconductors) with a Silicon Valley company in the year after Thatcher was first elected. I only ever worked in ICT since as a full time role. I retired two years ago following a hugely enjoyable, fulfilling and rewarding time of it. I'm thankful that we began to look out just as the only other naturally Englsih speaking state in the EU started to look in. You left the door swing open for us.
 
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Harold Macmillan said in the late fifties when he became PM that his job was to manage Britain’s decline. For donkey’s years we had been led to believe that Britain was the tops in everything, despite evidence to the contrary which has become more and more stark over the years. Yet today we are still being hoodwinked and barely a political speech goes past without some chest thumping that Britain leads the world in this, that or another.

Thatcher tried to reverse the flow with disastrous results. Reasonable enough policy to kill off the dead and dying industries, but replacing them with nothing but the fanciful notion that the city money men would provide, jeez! Desert points out how that went. Where was the investment in the new industries to replace the old? Where is our computer industry? Where is our Silicon Valley? Where is etc etc?

So here we are today with a Government that still trumpets that Britain leads the world and so much believes in its own false rhetoric (does it, if the truth were known?) that it has isolated us. I fear for our country and my grandchildren.
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I read this (or a variation of it) the other day, and it’s a beautiful metaphor for Brexit and those who led, enabled and supported it:

The United Kingdom is like the 50-year-old bloke who thinks his wife (the EU) is the only thing holding him back from shagging a bevvy of beautiful 25-year-old women, so he leaves her…….only to end up sad and alone in a one-bedroom-flat washing his pants in the sink.
 
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A neutral or objective person could argue both pro's and con's since leaving though.

Yes we have had food shortages due to supply problems but that's the case throughout europe and some parts of the wider world.

People were quick to jump in and blame it on the lack of european drivers until it became clear the industry overall was starting to decline because of wage depression...

We here in the U.K did get the vaccines a lot earlier than the Europeans and the bureaucracy they went through implementing a vaccine programme was embarrasing.

I voted remain but I think we need to get on with it now. The future of the world is so uncertain, and I still feel we haven't seen who has been proved right or wrong yet in terms if Brexit.

Yes I am sure more angry vindictive people voted leave than remain but thats a fact of life there are angry and disgruntled people everywhere and they were given a good bone to chew on once the referendum was announced.

I can understand why pro european scots are angry.

It will be interesting to see how a future Starmer lead government deals with Sturgoen and co...will she get another indy ref?

Ultimately brexit was always something many die hard conservatives always wanted. Once Cameron got in back in 2015 with a narrow majority the chances/odds of brexit happening got considerably shorter.
 
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The United Kingdom is like the 50-year-old bloke who thinks his wife (the EU) is the only thing holding him back from shagging a bevvy of beautiful 25-year-old women, so he leaves her…….only to end up sad and alone in a one-bedroom-flat washing his pants in the sink.
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Must remember this one and use it down the pub!
 
Agree with much of that, Marb, though I'd doubt Starmer will be leading anything,anywhere.
For mine, he oozes insincerity, and seems to believe that Government can be achieved by slagging easy targets.
 
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