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We all know that finding winners is not necessarily only about predicting who is the best runner in a race, but predicting who is most likely to triumph in the context of that race. Doesn't need saying, but thoughts around that can clearly be applied in multiple ways and against multiple races.

And, if you can spot something not too many others have, then you could be lining yourself up for an attractively-priced winner somewhere down the line.

And, if you can identify hot races, they can be a good source of hints for future winners.

All obvious stuff.

So, I figured that spotting a race before its run that's likely (by the context/profile of the runners in that race) to turn up some future winners can be a good approach. In particular, a race that might go under the radar for a bit.

Clearly, this is likely to be best applied to novices, maidens, bumpers etc. I'd venture to suggest best applied to jumps, though there will likely be some flat maidens/novices that will fit the profile.


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I'll kick off with one today. The 12.50 at Carlisle, a two-and-a-half mile novice hurdle.

6 of the 8 have won a bumper, a PTP, or a PTP bumper. A few high-profile names involved. Packed with interesting bloodlines. Glanced through the sales prices and over half range from £19k upwards to £90k.

Might be worth keeping an eye on any horse that runs with promise here. But with the proviso that the potential heavy ground might act as an equalizer and/or bring to the fore those that have been conditioned well enough to handle it this early.

Personally, I'll be watching Donald Whillans' So Many Roads, with the hope he doesn't run too well, but with just enough promise that it's clear a future Class 4 will be within easy reach. There's an outside chance that SMR is far enough forward from running up hills in the Borders to at least keep tabs for a long way.
 
Hard work for some in the conditions...

RP write up, I'd say they got it right enough...

GROVE ROAD, a soft ground bumper winner making his hurdling debut, handled these conditions well and found plenty when the runner-up launched his challenge. He jumped soundly and is a nice sort who should go on to better things.


The King Of Ryhope, bought for 75,000GBP after winning an Irish point in 2020, was having his first run since and making his hurdling debut for a yard which has just struck top form. Heavily backed, he looked a major threat when launching his challenge up the near side, but he got tired in the closing stages. The experience won't have been lost on him.


Horacio Apple's, who showed ability in bumpers last season, kept on for minor honours without posing a threat to the principals. This was a pleasing start to his hurdling career.


Regarde, the 12l winer of an Irish point when last seen in March, was subsequently bought for 90,000GBP. He faded after setting the pace and probably found this ground too testing.


Rock On Cowboy, winner of an Irish point, was another who seemed to struggle with underfoot conditions on his hurdling debut.


Cedar Row, a point winner, shaped well on his hurdling debut despite being pulled up, travelling nicely into contention before the heavy ground took its toll. He will be worth bearing in mind when encountering a sounder surface.


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But well done RP. No mention of So Many Roads - one of the six that broke away between 3 and 2 out. The (almost) perfect educational run, lobbed around at the back, pleasing enough, confirmed ability, maybe just about beaten far enough to stay enough off the radar down the line a bit to get some juicy enough odds somewhere up North. Very likely this went precisely as the stable intended.


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The King of Ryhope obviously won't stay off the radar, given trainer, anticipated peformance, and actual performance. Made one minor(ish) mistake on the way round. Could well turn out the best in the long run


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Cedar Row was eased right off after the 2nd last. Thought I noticed the jockey glance down to his right as CR came to a stop, maybe he thought something was up and didn't want to push too hard. Maybe he knew the horse was running on empty and wanted to look after for another day. Promising run till that point.

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Extra info, quote from Ben Pauling before the race "Rock On Cowboy is a lovely horse who will relish the ground and stiff track. "...maybe ROC just wasn't as far forward as they thought.
 
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The two-and-a-half-mile maiden at Hereford...

Plenty of cash on display overall...

Fame and fun 33000 Nicholls


Gavroche D'allier 33000 M Harris


Hunting Brook 90000 Lavelle


Hurricane Vichi 60000 M Harris


Marble Sands 41000 F O'Brien


Whodini 60000 O Greenall


A Definite Getaway 35000 B Pauling


King Alexander 60000 N Henderson


Tsarmix 26000 Sam Thomas


Likely to be a few pointers.

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Taking my eye for the future....

Rockinastorm Henry Daly

A Mahler, straight into a two and a half. You'd expect a Daly novice to start at a lesser distance. Wide margin bumper winner last year, got pulled out of the Aintree bumper on account of ground (ie, not soft enough). Which makes you wonder if they'll let him run today. Could be they just didn't want to chance it as a youngster, and feel can handle it now.

Quite possibly the next smart(ish) 3m chaser from the yard, after picking up a couple of two-and-a-half to 3 mile hurdles this year. Today, in the context of this race? Seems unlikely, especially given the worries over ground conditions a few weeks ago on the stable gallops. Definitely one to watch, but relatively ( to many of the others) low in the betting.


Hunting Brook Emma Lavelle

Presenting gelding, the most expensive in the field by the look of it. Emma's novice King's Threshold ran well at Uttoxeter a few days ago in an interesting enough race, so stable may have a feeling for where they are. 25-1 Bet3 and a couple of others, no surprise to see a good run here. **extra note** also entered up in an Exeter Class 3 in a few days time, which could be a pointer.


Fame and Fun Paul Nicholls

By Fame and Glory, this two-and-a-half on good might suit. No mention in stable tours that I could see. On the drift this morning to 25-1. Potential doesn't need stating.


Hurricane Vichi/Gavroche D'Allier Milton Harris

HV seems favoured going by the betting, but Gavroche does seem a likely type for a win at some point. Split two horses in one of his points (a 17-runner affair), one of which was a wide-margin winner of a subsequent point and then ran 2nd in a big field Galway hurdle. The other won a big field Punchestown maiden hurdle first time up and fetched around 50 grand.

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ofc no idea who's ready and who's not. But an interesting race given the overall profile.

Lack of time prevents much research on others. Other notes to follow if anything comes up.


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Fergal O' Brien

"We'll check the ground first but if Marble Sands does run he will be very hard to beat. His Sandown second in the Grade 3 EBPF Final on Imperial Cup day puts him ahead of these both on form and experience. While it's an interesting maiden hurdle, he should win it."


Ben Pauling

"we've found a very hot starting point for A Definite Getaway today. He goes nicely and I'll be delighted with a good first run and thrilled if he manages a place."
 
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Thanks for these, chaumi. I think races like these with a goodly number of well thought of horses in them give a very good idea of how they are developing as well as a good clue as to the pecking order.


ps: Market sees nothing in it, as yet, but King Alexander and Marble Sands who’ve been swapping favouritism around 5/4, 6/4.
 
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Although KA came second there was only one horse in it by miles. Didn’t really tell us anything about the rest.
 
On the face of it, totally agree Barjon. Looks like it could have been a lot closer on paper before the race. But equally, that's where we're playing with these. Uncertainties will abound. And this is part of this exercise...the question in my head was what might we be able to learn from this sort of effort. And I think we'll only know the answer in the fullness of time.

Personally, I firmly believe that this sort of identification and tracking will result in a 40-1 + winner down the line and enough others at lower prices to have made it all worthwhile. To be proven, though.

So, I'll try and pick something out of this one. A combination of (potentially flawed but equally potentially appropriate) interpretations, while trying to keep any wishful thinking at bay,too.

So, one interpretation is the winner is definite graded class. But slightly tempered by the impression that most others needed the education/weren't wound up. We should find that out about Marble Sands in the coming months, which might give us more context on those behind. Clearly, FOB expected Marble to do the business today.

Hunting Brook Pulled out, unsuitable ground.

I'm not sure what was going on here, because it looked soft enough in places to me. And arguably race times for the day support that impression. So, I don't know if HB was pulled because it was softer than they wanted, or because they thought it was too good. Remember the entry for Exeter in a few days, that might give a clue.


Rockinastorm Most interesting runner for me, both before and after. One of the first that appeared to begin to struggle of the 8 that broke away a few out. But kept on at the end to pass a few that had pulled away and finished well enough. RP said they think he might need further. My interpretation is he wasn't wound up enough to go with them when they quickened...and the way he managed to keep going and improve positions at the end instead of folding confirms the ability is there. This was a surprise to see a Daly novice not starting out at a lesser distance with an educational run. I'm in no way disappointed with that run today and suspect the game is still on with Rockieboy.


Fame and Fun If I'm right about the ground, that's a potential excuse aside from he just needs more time. I'd need to study a bit deeper to confirm but got the impression back in spring/early summer that the Fame and Glory hurdlers seemed to be appreciating better ground in several instances. Unfortunately, we may not find out with FAF till next spring. But a lot of this is a long-term game,anyway.


Gavroche D'allier Was lobbed around the back. Nothing learned. Other than the run of Hurricane Vichi was good enough (compared to everyone except the winner) to reconfirm that it's always going to be worth at least noting MH's runners. GD is going to be a tough one to second guess I suspect, maybe a 3m handicap somewhere?


****anyone that notices anything I'm not seeing in any of these, agrees, disagrees, whatever, please feel free to jot thoughts down*****
 
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I doff my virtual cap, guys.

I find it hard enough going trying to get through a Saturday TV card without panning minor midweek events for a golden nugget.

I hope you strike it rich!
 
I find it hard enough going trying to get through a Saturday TV card without panning minor midweek events for a golden nugget.

Yeah, time is a problem. I'll apologize in advance if I just can't keep it up. Been doing this in my head (to a lesser extent) for years, and you definitely miss stuff that way. Maybe it will bear some fruit. We'll see.
 
Today's mares bumper, the 4.20 Warwick

Potential star performer to watch - Hard as Nails

I almost wet myself when I saw this line......

Black Sam Bellamy - Cream Cracker (Sir Harry Lewis)

If there weren't 10 or so others that you wouldn't be surprised to see take this, I'd be renting the cat out on mouse-catching duties for extra betting funds.


So....Fergal runs two...

Stowaway Jess
"Stowaway Jess made a promising start when winning in good style at Southwell early in the year. The only penalised runner in the field, she can make good use of her experience to figure in a very competitive finale."

Hard as nails
"one of two interesting newcomers for us in what looks a pretty strong fillies' and mares' bumper. She is bred to be decent and it will be interesting to see her perform for Paddy first time up."


Kim Bailey - Faerie Cutlass (another Black Sam Bellamy)"Faerie Cutlass is Elizabeth Kellar's first home-bred runner. She will be hugely excited about seeing her 'baby' hit the racecourse on what is very much a learning curve. We are all going to be learning about the filly today when a promising run would be fantastic."


Warren Greatrex HANNAH’S WALK

"I trained the mother of this mare and she won her bumpers very gamely. She has a tough and trainable attitude and I am really looking forward to the future with her. Should go well here."

Emma Lavelle Lady Caro €55,000

Harry Fry Queen Annie 70,000GNS

Ollie Murphy Silent Approach €90,000

Nicky H Spring Note Out of an unraced half-sister to Oscar Whisky.

Nick Gifford Yesnosorry "has plenty of size and scope"

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It's probably not amiss to say that a significant number of these will be winning races for the next few years.

There's a chance the ground could be proper soft by race time, which might put the Black Sam Bellamy's to the fore. There's little doubt Hard as Nails will be ready, but Kim Bailey's comments suggest Faerie will want the experience.

Nick Gifford's I don't expect to be ready to get close to the best of these. With a fair few of the others, it's anyone's game.
 
Thoughts on the bumper...

Plenty of these were far from disgraced and it looked a proper race. Strong bumper form and several indicators of ability.

Winner obviously classy, the second was a little surprising but clearly useful. Both prominent for much of the way, which probably marks up the performance of some trying to come from behind.

The best of which was Hard as Nails as anticipated, looking a potential winner between 2f and 1f out after fairly rapid progress from the back. But the eventual winner kept going and just had too much. Nailsy got run out of 2nd close home, although had to make up a lot of lengths on the first two from the back. Shame, the 20s odd on BF was too good to miss. Sadly, those odds are unlikely to be seen again. But the place money was like taking it off a tree.

Lady Caro ran a nice race till tiring, maybe better ground would have seen a stronger overall performance.

Faerie Cutlass was an eye-catcher for me, there was a point where it looked like she'd fold completely, but stuck on well enough. If KB lets her go in another soft ground bumper - maybe slightly less competitive - it could be a fill-your-boots day.

The first 11 home (at least) could well pick up something in future. Even Nick Gifford's managed to keep tabs for a long way, they'll be pleased with that for sure.


**Edit** post race comment from Kim Bailey

"Faerie Cutlass was incredibly green and stayed on well up the straight, she will improve loads and it was a very promising first run "

...and pre-race from Nick Gifford...

"future chaser and will appreciate the softer ground today. She is a horse for the future, so once again we are just looking for a good attitude and promising start to her career."
 
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As you say, chaumi, I thought the winner, Spring Note looked a good one and I’ve got her noted to see how she goes when sent over hurdles. Can”t say I’m much interested in bumpers other than looking for ones to note for their hurdle debut.
 
As you say, chaumi, I thought the winner, Spring Note looked a good one and I’ve got her noted to see how she goes when sent over hurdles. Can”t say I’m much interested in bumpers other than looking for ones to note for their hurdle debut.

Ah, there's much that can be gleaned from bumpers, certainly strong ones. Of course, there's a lot more growth and development in store for many runners, and because of that, things will change, and you have to go with the flow. But, in general, any runner that does well is signalling some level of ability, and sometimes that doesn't become apparent over hurdles till the 3rd, 4th , or more attempt.

I'll hope to make a bumper convert out of you yet. Maybe in a year or two's time when half a dozen of these have done the business :-)
 
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I should clarify...."done the business" = over jumps.

It's fairly rare/difficult to spot an unexposed bumper runner that will go on to take a bumper later on. But it does happen.

It's mainly about hurdles down the line.

With the bumper winners/very close-up finishers, they're already now exposed. Backing them to follow up those runs in a bumper is then a risk/reward exercise. They'll be short, and given the very nature of the races, often risky to back (but not always).

An example of an exception will be something like Hard as Nails from the race yesterday. In anything less than a listed race, she's likely to win doing the proverbials and, theoretically, might be just about a backable price to do so.

The real ones to watch out for in a bumper (from an odds perspective, and following a preliminary unplaced run) are the runners with profiles like Faerie Cutlass (given the run, connections, and breeding), Lady Caro (run, connections, price), Nick Gifford's (but maybe more with the hope she bombs next time and shows true worth over hurdles/fences). There are one or two others from yesterday's race.

When they all go hurdling, then it comes down to the odds ranges you're normally playing at.

The easy winners/clearly classy/ highly well-connected sorts/ close-up finishers will all often be short enough (on early hurdles starts, at least). They might still be good bets, but for me, this is where risk outweighs reward. Others might see these as good opportunities (and some will be, though I'd suggest we're looking at less than a handful a season that truly fall into that bracket).

Indeed, those types can be worth watching for when they don't seem to do much in their first few hurdle starts. It all takes monitoring, thought, and interpretation of runs in the context of the races they run in, conditions, distance, etc etc etc. They can come good a year or two further on and at attractive enough odds

With the others out the back in this type of race, I'm hoping this is where we'll learn something in the fullness of time. How many go on to make some sort of mark over hurdles or fences? In what types/classes of races? How long does it take? Who are the trainers to watch deeply for down the line? Can we spot runners from a previously off-the-radar or new sire beginning to make an impact? etc etc etc

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There is, ofc, a way to do this with databases and study. But I'm not sure you're really getting a feel for the races run (the way they were run, the contenders, the competitive quality, etc) in quite the same way you do with a real-time monitoring exercise.

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I'm well aware that most reading this will know all this (if, indeed, anyone is reading :-)). But there are maybe one or two that are new to these types of thoughts. So, probably worth getting it down. And I guess it's more of an opportunity to pull my own thoughts together and gain some coherence/improvement where it's just plain wrong or invalid.
 
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Interesting, chaumi, my road map is:

Bumpers - impressive winners or “nearlies” with really strong finish noted to watch for on their transition to hurdle races.

Maiden/novice hurdle races - pay particular attention to those already noted from above, but rarely bet them unless there’s significant market action. I obviously miss quite a few debut winners from the noted list, but I have to grin and bear that.

From those races I am looking mainly for slick hurdling and strong finishing to qualify for my “consider next time” notebook as well as the usual “unlucky” horse. Also, some may be flagged up to watch next time (eg: impressively strong finishing, but lousy jumping)

Same sort of thing with the novice chasers.

I’m really with you on looking carefully at these focus races which always contain a good few of my noted horses and which I agree are a very good reference point for sorting out future who is better than who conundrums.
 
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The 1.22 and 1.52 maidens at Chepstow both have many interesting runners, and both look strong enough on paper.

Far too many runners to analyze all, and several could be anything, so will pick out a few that will hopefully run well today (but hopefully not too well) and could be worth watching for later.

1.22

Unspeakable Christian Williams Sholokov out of a Presenting mare Went for £50k back in April. Given the trainer's exploits with chasers, you'd expect a run well out the back here.

Libberty Hunter Evan Williams By Yourgunnabelucky £160,000 in Dec 21 after wins in bumpers for Brian Eckley and a close enough 6th in the Feb 22 listed Newbury bumper.

Neil Mulholland's Fame and Glory Ballinesker Bridge Went for £50k back in 2018.Hasn't done a lot to date but could be a late-maturer

Olly Murphy's €75k Halondo

David Pipe's
£38k Malinas runner American Sniper

Any number of others


1.52

Don't know where to start, so many good prospects. Whoever wins this will be useful.

But Evan Williams £160k point winner Out of Office (Shirocco - Bob Back + Strong Gale further down the line) jumps off the page.
 
Thought you’d pick those two :). Bulk of mine to watch are in the 1:52 so I reckon I’ll be getting fed up watching the race time and again. We must compare notes later.
 
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Yes, that's going to take a lot of reruns!

..and just noticed the 2.22 looks equally hot. The three Malinas runners will be interesting to watch.
 
..and just noticed the 2.22 looks equally hot. The three Malinas runners will be interesting to watch.

The Malinas babies ran 2nd, 5th, and 7th. Wasn't watching much that was going on behind but think first 7 miles clear.

And I stuck a just in case few quid on the Hobbs newcomer at 160 on the exchange. Probably wasn't going to catch the leader, but it certainly looked like another 50-100 yards would have been interesting.

Great run from Christian Williams Lord Snootie. Not hard to see this one winning some big staying chases over the next 4 years.

And Evan Williams Hurricane Highway was far, far from disgraced.
 
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Anyone that can get to watch the 2.22 Chepstow, just look at where Goshhowposh came from. He'd had to have been 15-20 lengths off the winner at the 2nd last with 5 others in front.

On second look, he'd have collared the winner with another 5 strides or so. And, if they'd actually jumped the last, there's a very strong chance it would have been a different winner. You could argue the others were beginning to flag, and maybe he was the strongest stayer, but still an exceptional-looking performance (on the assumption we're right about the overall quality of the race).

The RP write-up on Lord Snootie is misleading to a point and undersells that performance in the context of the opposition, he may go a little under the radar. Was eased off close to the end into 7th. Another that if they'd jumped the last may have finished closer.

Evidence suggests those first 7 home are all more than useful and worth looking out for once we have better clues around preferred ground/distance.
 
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The 1.22 and 1.52 maidens at Chepstow both have many interesting runners, and both look strong enough on paper.

Far too many runners to analyze all, and several could be anything, so will pick out a few that will hopefully run well today (but hopefully not too well) and could be worth watching for later.

1.22

Unspeakable Christian Williams Sholokov out of a Presenting mare Went for £50k back in April. Given the trainer's exploits with chasers, you'd expect a run well out the back here.

Libberty Hunter Evan Williams By Yourgunnabelucky £160,000 in Dec 21 after wins in bumpers for Brian Eckley and a close enough 6th in the Feb 22 listed Newbury bumper.

Neil Mulholland's Fame and Glory Ballinesker Bridge Went for £50k back in 2018.Hasn't done a lot to date but could be a late-maturer

Olly Murphy's €75k Halondo

David Pipe's
£38k Malinas runner American Sniper

Any number of others


Libberty Hunter looked like he had it in the bag two out, moving powerfully. Fluffed the last slightly, but you wouldn't be certain that gifted it to David Pipe's American Sniper (yet another vote for the Malinas line) who fought admirably. But LH was a bit keen early, so maybe this run could be marked up a little


Unspeakable ran out the back as expected. Only a baby, lots of time for Christian Williams to grow this one up.


Halondo was down in the RP as an eyecatcher. May well have decidedly been ridden for experience here, which marks it up a bit further.

Overall, not sure about this. The proximity of Kay's Light may be a little disconcerting. Will need to watch how she performs in next few races. Same with Erigmoor to a point, though Stuart Edmunds youngsters can sometimes go well (as one did in the next).

No noticeable clues for others behind.
 
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The 1.52

Don't know where to start, so many good prospects. Whoever wins this will be useful.

But Evan Williams £160k point winner Out of Office (Shirocco - Bob Back + Strong Gale further down the line) jumps off the page.

10 or so performed creditably.

Out of Office ran well for sure, and the yard is unlikely to be too disappointed.

The Philip Hobbs runner High Game Royal wasn't too far off the places (perhaps confirming the well-being of the yard, at least the youngsters given how Goshhowposh went in the next).

Christian Williams may be spending his winnings wisely (or owners are actively seeking him out with useful types), his Always Busy only weakening away at the second last at a massive price. Still only 4, plenty of time.

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Watch out for the Mountain High Shee's a Stella in a class 5 two-and-a-half mile handicap next spring or maybe autumn, potentially at treble figure odds. Had zero prospects of getting anywhere near much else running here and ran/finished accordingly.
 
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