Wankerists

Tanlic,

""Do not think for one minute they like you no matter how nice they may seem, to them you are below them, the scum of the earth and they would wipe us all out if they could"

One person's view does not make this correct. Pure b*******! Religious fanatics adhering to literal interpretation of ancient, often tribal based, writings tend to have that attitude whatever the religion. Thankfully most people do not think like that.
 
Two cracking posts from TS and Tanlic.

The Islamic community have a point when they say "not in my name".....but as TS points out (in more elegant terms) there seems little appetite to address the issues that clearly prevail "in their community". The constant references to "policy" from Muslim community leaders, and how this needs to change, is the worst kind of ball-less, see-no-evil, cop-out horse-sh*t.

It's about time they got their fingers out of their arses, and started to grass-up those in their own communities who preach the hate.

And while I'm at it, the UK goverment should be allowed to deport anyone[/] viewed as a National Security risk - and to f*ck with the European Court. This is the UK - not North Korea - and there are sufficient checks-and-balances (and a free press) to ensure that the system is not abused.

The current 'system' is verging on farce; where I pay taxes to keep cunts like Qatada and the two Wankerist no-marks from Woolwich in food-stamps. So ething is going to give soon unless we change the nature of the game in the UK.....and it's going to give big-time.
 
Nothing more "shite" than those that make such statements but dont have the guts or capablity to take the comments on
 
I wouldnt go as far as some of the comments above at all and im not in the anti immigration camp. Are we going to lump hindus in with muslims?

I think that there have been more steps taken within the community to stop this than is often assumed but at the same time the very nature of islam means that it is a very short step from so called mainstream to outright terrorism.

The great laugh has been the so many on the left contuinually promoting and defending those whos views would turn even nick griffins stomach. Could you imagine if a tory was inviting a speaker who advocated execution of homosexuals and worshipped the nazi party?

But much of the left's "liberalism" is an outright lie.

Its all very well claiming that all religions have their nutters but if took the median view of the muslim world and compared with any other religion, then the results would be clear

The big forthcoming issue is the fate of the coptic christians in egypt. I can see that getting nasty and if so i hope we intervene
 
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Ok btb

I am going to hit back at the "bleed the country dry" bit. I can talk from my experience too

Muslim areas of London (Edgware road , tooting, brick lane) are full of enterprise and clear hard work. They are buzzing and little sign in my eyes of a population sitting around waiting on handouts

Muslims are well represented in many professions. My dentist is a fairly strict follower and quite excellent too. When I last lay back in the chair I asked him "you're not going to cut my head off are you?!" Ok not really

Secondly when I take the out to get my head round something in peace at he local library it's is striking that those studying hard are frequently Muslim girls. Quite why so instead of the males I don't know.

I have never realy found any serious division in my experience in London and I network quite heavily here. But that's London perhaps

Just observations

It's the religion I despair of.
 
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Interesting how no one relies (per usual) to my thread about the head of MI5, yet now we're hearing some interesting allegations levelled at Mr Parker.

A lot of people on here really are stuck up their own arses (or inflated egos').

Guerilla debates engineered for pats on the backs for the 'chosen ones'.

Ill answer my own question - The ******* prat should resign and will do once he gets a shove.
 
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Drummer Lee Rigby, 25, of the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. RIP
By Iqbal Latif
When a human being is mercilessly killed, hope is killed, perfection is eliminated!

Everyone is a unique individual ‘human is finale, zenith and the peak’ of the 14.7 billion years from The Big Bang; let’s not waste unique 'evolution' of our beginning by ignoring pain and misery of man. It is for this, I always keep repeating that lets love beyond religion and dogma everyone.
Criminal death through terror, injustice and famine is not a death of an individual it’s the ‘death of entire humanity's conscience!’ We need to transcend onto the unique 'Human level' there is no escape from this, if we need to survive, belief in whatever you want but respect the life of everyone here. And look upon this earth as an astronaut, border-less and one.
Any belief that encourages death over life is a-thesis of our progress. We are so unique but we are so indifferent to each other, we are indifferent to pain of each other; we think pain has a colour, or a religion or belief; famine and lack of opportunity is our collective failure as a 'unique collection of trillion upon trillion of star dust remnants' that epitomise The Big Bang.
For me that 'universal pain' is important to register, let’s not forget we as a part of 'singularity and remnant of star dust' are part of each other. If one of our part is subject to unfairness we should condemn it instead of looking at it indifferently.

Every Friday sermon from the pulpit is scrutinised in fundamentalist Iran as well as puritan Saudi Arabia. There are selective measures to combat extremist ideology, including close government scrutiny of Friday sermons, and encouraging concord. Pulpits purportedly exist to dispense 'Gods love and adore of his children' that should be the only order of the day.' Pulpits should not turn into the 'satanic dwellings of revulsion and abhorrence.'
The Imams and the pulpits need to change the colour and tone of their language. The change needs to come by making certain that 'love' the language of god and not 'hate' the speech of devil is dispensed from the pulpits. It is the 'message from the pulpits' that needs to be looked at and possibly monitored.
Someone needs to address the blooming hate message; we need message of harmony, unity, concord, accord and love instead. That is what is needed to be delivered from the pulpits. If pulpits continue to disseminate malice and message of revulsion instead of concord and love, we shall continue to see mushrooming of this self-hating tumour through brainwashed deviant individuals.

Listen you terminators; little I am but let me tell you 'not in my name!' I condemn your every action; I find every word you speak is hate and drivel.
Hate and abhorrence has no place in a society that revels on its freedom of expression. Take your 'tent' of hatred and plant it somewhere in scorched plains where such irrational degeneracy and decadence will only nurture only excruciating cactus. There is no chance of any fruitful outcome for mankind in your disgusting seeds.
The paradox that mankind faces today is that this rising tentacles of malice, poison and contaminated minds is on the rise in an age where human history is witnessing violence going downhill by dramatic degrees. In this exceptional age of information; the message of abhorrence and disgust is an attempt to haul mankind back in to the age of ignorance and antiquated practices.
This malignancy stems and flourishes within a community that refuses to deal with challenge of terror with comprehensible precision, intelligibility and outright condemnatory denunciation.
It is double standards of sermons from the pulpits where 'radical bloodhounds of terror' are given a leash of life and a breathing space. Moral equivalence are drawn for terror actions.

Legitimacy and warrant to slay to even the score of the 'lost glory of Islam' is the gist of this clarion call. Restoration of galloping old glory on horseback is such an unflattering relentless campaign of jihad.

There is a reason why even the most liberal will be the most hardened ideologue when it comes to outright condemnation. Condemn it; say loudly to be heard by every one of them 'not in my name.' Don't be indifferent, don't be mute, this will come to haunt your next of kin's. Silent majority doesn't mind supremacy of Islam and regaining of the paradise lost of the Caliphate where Islam reigned supreme.

It is dreams of rediscovering the history of Islam's golden age and the re-conquest of the world, like old Spain, that propels many lunatics to impose the 'will of Allah' on the unwilling. This is not about terror; rather this is about imposing a way of life through a 'regime of terror'. Try living in Kandahar and Kabul amidst the Talebins, if you like it so much! Stop pontificating venom from pulpits here.
Instead let’s nurture understanding of different cultures and creeds. People have to understand that they need to come out of this self-imposed ignorance and stop the prevalent culture of blaming others for their own backwardness.

I just don’t see why should millions of other young men suffer for mental depravity of one demented thought, many others have dreams too; there are those who want an education in these universities and want to be faithful and reliable. Such act of treachery, betrayal, fickleness and infidelity closes the doors to everyone?

Living in the 21st century is living with all and sundry; no exclusion can be possible on the basis of a radical agenda of revulsion.
The rank and file instead of drawing moral equivalences of these sickening acts, should detach from all this butchery and denounce it clearly and utter loudly ''Not In Our Name Please.'' Islam needs to be detached from this madness. It is in your hand! There are no 'horseback invasions' possible and this ambivalence of behaviour is obliterating your future generations with unfounded dreams of reinstituting grandiosity of a greatness that was once there.
''If you choose to adopt western values and civilization, your minds need to change; you cannot live with archaic 1400 years-old principles and enjoy the freedom that internet and global connectivity offers. The mixing of culture and minds is oneness of mankind; we cannot have tribalism and botulism as the cornerstone in an age of micro-processors. This is the age of knowledge; you either are a part of the system or a defunct Stone Age man i.e. the Talibani, or the man in Qom, who has destroyed the fabric of the society by taking Iran back by 200 years in less than 40 years of revolution. It is not an accident that it is freedom that innovates and ideological fixation that degenerates. Hence 1.4 billion of faithful at the lowest rung of Human Development is not an accident of nature but the result of mass hypocrisy that has all but shut the avenues of renaissance within nations of the crescent.''
 
Freedland says that he once made the argument that invading Iraq would lead to trouble on home soil but would hesitate to do so in future.

But it's not an argument, merely a fact that any responsible government should take into account. Deciding what to do about it is a separate matter.
 
No . Absolutely wrong

Any government must only take into account what they believe to be the right thing to do. Whether iraq was or not is not the issue but NO government must be intimidated by the threats of violence by bigots.

There were those in that paper who strongly objected to the action in Mali on that basis. Disgusting viewpoint although frankly that guardian writer in question is an admirer of islamists and their bigotry
 
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clivex said:
No . Absolutely wrong

Any government must only take into account what they believe to be the right thing to do. Whether iraq was or not is not the issue but NO government must be intimidated by the threats of violence by bigots.
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That is quite nutty.

A responsible government should do what is right but it also has to anticipate and deal with the potential consequences of its actions.
 
There is nothing "nutty" about my statement. Its perfectly logical.

Do you think that the norweigan government should have reconsidered its policy towards immigration because of Brevik?
 
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Of course I don't but so what? We're talking about whether people are allowed to point out a threat, not about the threat itself and how to deal with it.

By the way, one of the justifications offered in favour of the Iraq invasion was to stamp out terrorism, so it is quite reasonable of people to point out this may have been incorrect.
 
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The first statement with which I have an issue is that there will be plenty of apologists for this attack. It struck me as a sweeping generalisation of the “liberal left”, or “radical left”, or “loony left” or whatever descriptive term you want to give people with political ideologies opposed to yours.

By the way, I get pretty frustrated when I read your posts and those of others, with very simple categorisation in terms of “left” and “right”; it’s like we’ve taken a time machine back 200 years. But that’s just me. I think it gives some people a comforting sense of tribalism to be involved in a team of fellow-minded people, and to have an opposition, which is diametrically opposed to your viewpoints.


It’s like when you read pea brains complaining about capitalism as a system. But the way I see it “capitalism” has gone beyond a system or doctrine that you can take sides for and against. I see it as a constantly moving way of managing the economy. Capitalism as practiced by (say) the Con-Dem government is a very different beast than that we would have seen in the Teddy Roosevelt administration over 100 years ago in the US. They are almost polar opposites in many ways. But they are still “capitalism”.


There are loads of issues with economic management everywhere. Everyone can come up with hundreds of examples of bad decisions, waste, paradoxes. But ultimately “capitalism”, where private individuals can make a profit from economic activity more or less underpins the economic system everywhere at present. And historical attempts to do something else have been unsuccessful or their success has been short-lived. Just like you could argue the toss about the way in which healthcare is provided to citizens, but almost everybody would acknowledge that it has to be done.
Labelling somebody as “capitalist” or “left-wing” or “right-wing” makes you sound like you’re scoring points in the playground.

I also viewed the youtube clip of that Muslim guy, and found very little to have an issue with. He specifically made the point that explaining the attacks had a motivation (not justification) was not the same as agreeing with it.

Then there is the ridiculous bringing of the Irish into it by Harry. I don’t really fancy “taking this on”.

And you complaining about inconsistent moderating. I think DVDS did a good job of “taking this on”.

EC1 claiming terrorism doesn’t happen nearly as frequently in Australia. You did a good job of “taking this on”.

Listen Clive, the reason I don’t engage in a debate with you is not because I don’t have the guts or capability*, it is because I think it is a fool’s errand. You rarely listen, and you don’t have any respect for people with views opposite to yours. That said, I read almost everything in this section of the board, and I have read some absolutely cracking posts from lots of people. In fact, much as I hate to admit it, a fair number of them are from you. But argue with you? No thanks. In real life, I avoid getting into discussion with people who don’t listen.

* In my opinion....you probably think I don't have the capability, but that is fine.
 
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Listen Clive, the reason I don’t engage in a debate with you is not because I don’t have the guts or capability*, it is because I think it is a fool’s errand. You rarely listen, and you don’t have any respect for people with views opposite to yours. That said, I read almost everything in this section of the board, and I have read some absolutely cracking posts from lots of people. In fact, much as I hate to admit it, a fair number of them are from you. But argue with you? No thanks. In real life, I avoid getting into discussion with people who don’t listen.

* In my opinion....you probably think I don't have the capability, but that is fine.
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To be fair Clive makes less sense on this thread than he does on the one on the grand wizard. And that takes some fcuking doing.
 
That's not aimed at you btb of course

I take a stance and am ready to have a debate. I have contempt for the hand wringers but acknowledge that simple left right labels are outdated. Of course they are but its just good to wind up

Listen to points? Argue points? Happy to do so but where are they? Still vEry little in your post rlelevant to the thread. Lecturing others on how they should post when 40 odd posts your contribution was that the most posters are wnkers?

I could counter argue myself better than the stuff here

And for e record one ex poster, much missed, debates a lot of this by pm. His views are quite opposite to mine but he challenges with knowledge and thought through opinions.

I disagree about the Muslim speaker and suggest you read freedlands linked article for the very clear reasons why
 
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