Will Altior Be Beaten?

[Double J]

De Boinville can **** off today

 

[granger]

De Boinville can **** off today

Why?

 

[granger]

Altior clearly didn't stay he was all over Cyrname for 2miles.

He looked to be finishing his race fine but just wasn't a match for the winner

No?

 

[granger]

Given that they took the capable Solomon Grey off his feet right from the start, maintained a championship pace throughout and jumped well for the most part, why would there be any reason to doubt the strength of the form?

Handicapper will be very happy with himself

 

[Double J]

Why?

Pocket talk after his loss on Call Me Lord. I’ll calm down shortly

 

[Double Handful]

De Boinville can **** off today

Why?

Not winning on call me Lord I'd suspect

 

[simmo]

He looked to be finishing his race fine but just wasn't a match for the winner

No?

I'd rate that form quite highly - two top class horses putting in two top class performances.

 

[tiggers1972]

Fair play to Cyrname today. It was kind of his home game, ground, trip and track all in his favour.

 

[granger]

I'd rate that form quite highly - two top class horses putting in two top class performances.

Me too.

 

[granger]

Not winning on call me Lord I'd suspect

His head was probably still spinning

 

[Double Handful]

I'm disappointed Altior didn't win, but the best horse at that C&D won today. Simple as that.

Going forward, I wouldn't be writing Altior off back at 2 miles, no way.

Really want to see Cryname reproduce his Ascot performances at another track. King George will be fascinating.

 

[jinnyj]

Altior was bottomed in that ground. He was a very tired horse in the unsaddling enclosure. Hope it doesn’t take him a long time to get over it.

 

[swedish chef]

He looked to be finishing his race fine but just wasn't a match for the winner

No?

Yes but I meant he is clearly a 2 miler.

 

[granger]

Yes but I meant he is clearly a 2 miler.

Fair enough

I can agree with that

 

[Flagship uberalles]

Fair enough

I can agree with that

I didn't think he was out stayed at all. They went up the home straight more or less identically, the difference being the jumping - Cyrname is much more fluent and gained a lot of ground the whole way round.

I'd say the ground didn't help Altior and favored Cyrname, but stamina did not determine that result today. King George very interesting on better going if Altior can jump better.

 

[granger]

I didn't think he was out stayed at all. They went up the home straight more or less identically, the difference being the jumping - Cyrname is much more fluent and gained a lot of ground the whole way round.

I'd say the ground didn't help Altior and favored Cyrname, but stamina did not determine that result today. King George very interesting on better going if Altior can jump better.

For the record

I don't think that Altior failed to stay today or that he had any excuses.

I do think though that Altior is at his best over 2 miles

 

[granger]

Also good to see you back FU

 

[HawkWing]

Isn't the shorthand simply that Cyrname is a better horse now. I cant remember when Altior last impressed with his jumping. Has been too good for it to matter for a while. I dont think the King George is his race.

 

[archie]

Posted last Monday.

In my view, Altior has been regressing (from his brilliant best) since his first QM win. Whatever happens at the weekend, I don't see him winning a KG or a Gold Cup. The QM will depend on what turns up but he's of no interest at the current prices.

Nothing today to change my opinion.

 

[HawkWing]

Think today was one of his better performances since his QM win

 

[Desert Orchid]

Altior was bottomed in that ground. He was a very tired horse in the unsaddling enclosure. Hope it doesn’t take him a long time to get over it.

Jinnyj, how fit did Altior look to you?

I got the impression they were sowing the seed afterwards that maybe he wasn't fit.

The final-furlong overdrive was certainly missing today.

Another thing, it isn't unusual for horses that are reported to have put up an incredible gallop not to back it up on the track. I just wonder if altior did too much in that gallop Hendo was raving about and kind of bounced today?

 

[Frankel]

Isn't the shorthand simply that Cyrname is a better horse now. I cant remember when Altior last impressed with his jumping. Has been too good for it to matter for a while. I dont think the King George is his race.

Yup.

 

[Double Handful]

Jinnyj, how fit did Altior look to you?

I got the impression they were sowing the seed afterwards that maybe he wasn't fit.

The final-furlong overdrive was certainly missing today.

Another thing, it isn't unusual for horses that are reported to have put up an incredible gallop not to back it up on the track. I just wonder if altior did too much in that gallop Hendo was raving about and kind of bounced today?

The final furlong overdrive wasn't there because of the extra 5 furlongs today, surely? The tank was empty

 

[Double Handful]

Isn't the shorthand simply that Cyrname is a better horse now. I cant remember when Altior last impressed with his jumping. Has been too good for it to matter for a while. I dont think the King George is his race.

Not a hope he goes king George now imo. Nicky too protective. Wherever he goes next, I'd be highly confident that the QMCC is his big/main target.

 

[G-G]

He was fit. The ground was against him but I still don't think he stayed. There was a lot of changing legs coming into the home straight. Most worryingly he walked away extremely stiff and sore on his back end, and looking very sorry for himself. What that race really proved other than he doesn't get it, I have no idea. They will ruin him if they continue.