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SlimChance
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You're joking surely?
AP McCoy
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You're joking surely?
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tiggers1972
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Synchronized in the Gold Cup???
There has been some utter tosh written here about a bloke who has rewritten the record books.
Pure jealousy nothing more.
There has been some utter tosh written here about a bloke who has rewritten the record books.
Pure jealousy nothing more.
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lol...we now don't have to be in the 1960's for it to be pi$$ easy to win
sorry Slim..i think you just don't have much time for the bloke
i normally agree with you in the main..with you being so well endowed an all...but think you are well wrong here
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SlimChance
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It's just an opinion!
When Mick Kinane reflects on his career he'll remember all the great horses he rode not the records. For me AP sold out joining JP. Ruby Walsh and Barry Gerarhy both got top jobs and have ridden horses who will be immortal in racing history. I can't think of one horse I'd associate with AP in ten years time bar the three potential greats that had the misfortune of dying on the track.
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SlimChance
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the answer to that will be..well it was a sh1t GC...wait for it
Pridwell is AP's best ever ride IMO.
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/re...lts_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS
McCoy would admit to that himself but wait until Moore has broken practically every bone in his body and then continues with the same determination.
Anybody who can't appreciate that sport is not just about ability should take up cricket.
Euronymous
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He has a shot with Jezki or My Tent or Yours.
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Slim is spot on.
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no he isn't..he's biased against the bloke..you can see it a mile off
Im kinda on Slim Chance's side here. I like McCoy, and has improved as a jockey than from when he was first winning. I like him as I dont think he particularly cares about 4000 winners.
The celebrations today are for his remarkable ability to keep turning up when most men's motivation would have gone. He is doing his job and he loves doing it. If McCoy decides to go on for another 7 years he will get to 5000. Its like Ryan Giggs, who if he keeps turning up to United could get to 700 appearances, but ultimately, Ryan Giggs is no Messi.
The celebrations today are for his remarkable ability to keep turning up when most men's motivation would have gone. He is doing his job and he loves doing it. If McCoy decides to go on for another 7 years he will get to 5000. Its like Ryan Giggs, who if he keeps turning up to United could get to 700 appearances, but ultimately, Ryan Giggs is no Messi.
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You would have to use quantitative methods and ensure everything was linear to prove or disprove opinions on jockeys.
He is right on one thing though, he sold his soul to land gambles for JP. He has got away with rides that claimers would have got 28 days for over the past few years.
He is right on one thing though, he sold his soul to land gambles for JP. He has got away with rides that claimers would have got 28 days for over the past few years.
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Mini Sensation at Exeter I think will be the one you refer to.
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SlimChance
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Exactly. Barry Gerarhy was washed up and friendless in Ireland not so many years ago. Now he's immortal and will forever be associated with Sprinter Sacre. The irony is that McCoy would have been a certainty to get the Henderson job had he not sold his soul and tied himself to JP. Is riding 4,000 winners worth more than riding great horses?
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Euronymous
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I can't have that. You can't compare putting your health in danger however many rides he has a season to a frigging footballer strolling around for 15 minutes at the end of a nondescript league game.
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FrogTheBountyMuncher
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His style of riding would only work over the jumps, he needs a certain type of horse and there are plenty of plodders over jumps which haven't got the class to get into contention for winning honours.
I think because there are soo many lower class races and horses his achievement has been extrapolated by 2 maybe 3, you could argue that being able to ride low class and top class is perfect? But we seen with Denman he doesn't have the tools to nurture the very best like a Walsh or Gehraty can and you could see both of them succeeding on the flat with their abilities if they had chosen that path, not sure McCoy.
I think because there are soo many lower class races and horses his achievement has been extrapolated by 2 maybe 3, you could argue that being able to ride low class and top class is perfect? But we seen with Denman he doesn't have the tools to nurture the very best like a Walsh or Gehraty can and you could see both of them succeeding on the flat with their abilities if they had chosen that path, not sure McCoy.
I've never quite got over the sight of him walking away from the injured Valiramix at Cheltenham. But we did speak to him at Uttoxeter one day when the wind was so strong that it was inevitable the meeting would be abandoned, and I was very taken with how pleasant he was to talk to. Rides on Pridwell and Deano's Beano impressed me more than many of the high profile races he's had, and I felt quite emotional for him when he won the National. But I think the thing that sticks in my memory more than everything else is seeing him fight his way back to fitness when he damaged his back the other year. I'd rather not dwell on Wichita Lineman at Cheltenham, having backed the horse that came second. Anyway; it's good to see racing make the news in a positive way [for once].
Euronymous
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Maljimar. That was a painful ******* race.
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correct
i personally am not saying he's the best jockey..i'm no jockey hugger like a lot of you guys seem to be...i don't really care who is best nonsense...what i admire is that his achievements on paper are staggering...longevity is no given in this game..people pack it in when they've had enough...what McCoy has done is had two jockey lifetimes at what is one of the most dangerous sports out there
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He's not getting praise for that though
Its a bit like comparing drummers
Lester is a classy Jazz drummer to Fallons John Bonham style..Walsh is a similar comparison to McCoy...they both have strengths..one looks more stylish than the other.
Neither is "better" than the other..one is just more pleasing to the eye in riding style.
or guitarists
..McCoy is Pete Townsend to Walsh's Julian Bream
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Incorrect. Top flight footballers careers are far shorter than a top flight jockeys. I cant remember a time when Fallon wasnt riding, Dettori since the 80s, Hughes, Carberry all early nineties. Andy thornton still turning up over jumps.
McCoy keeps turning up, and who knows when he'll stop. That in its own way is heroic and if thats what being celebrated when he reaches these milestones, best of luck. I dont think he cares.
McCoy keeps turning up, and who knows when he'll stop. That in its own way is heroic and if thats what being celebrated when he reaches these milestones, best of luck. I dont think he cares.