Bloodstock 2011

On The Bridle said:
Name doesn't ring a bell - what has he done and who bought him?
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A Ballydoyle cast-off sent to Wachman. Three parts sister to SIMPLY PERFECT. Pretty much ran backwards in his first two starts and won a very middling maiden at listowel in mud on his last start (all his runs). Sold for 95,000gns to P Martin.
 
From RP site:

LAST season's Heron Stakes winner Fallen Idol made 250,000gns on an action-packed second day ofTattersalls' Autumn Horses In Training Sale in Newmarket on Tuesday when bought by Anthony Stroud to race at the Dubai Carnival.

The four-year-old, for whom New Zealand agent Guy Mulcaster was underbidder, is expected to race for a Maktoum family member at Meydan.
"His trainer has still to be decided and he had the right rating and was an athletic horse who fitted the bill for the Carnival," said Stroud, who later saw off trainer Robbie Hennessy to buy Club Oceanic for 155,000gns from Jeremy Noseda's stable.

Jumping buyers were out in force again at Tattersalls yesterday and Well Sharp, a smart stayer for owner Andrew Tinkler and trainer Michael Dods, proved the hottest property when bought for 250,000gns by J P McManus.

Jonjo O'Neill - standing with J P McManus's son Ciaran - saw off Anthony Bromley and Alan King, Guy Mulcaster and finally Harold Kirk, who frequently buys for Willie Mullins, for the three-year-old.

"He's been bought for J P McManus and is a lovely stamp of a horse with a bit of size and bone," said O'Neill. "He looks a nice horses to go jumping with and was very athletic."

Sales results http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/sa...=2011-10-27#individualResultsTabs=catalogue_5
 
Miesque said:
I want to know if Cantoris bought anything?
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No I didn't take your advice. I looked through the catalogue and simply gave up. Seriously, you need to go to the flat sales with 1000k and buy 5 for 20k, and one might turn out to be decent. It's a minefield. I'd much prefer to buy out of a bumper. I was interested in your view on Allied Answer.I see one he beat,Moveable Asset, is at Goffs on Friday. He finished behined Smithfield in that Listowel race but comprehensively turned over the form in Navan when third to Tugboat. I haven't looked at that race but it sounds like he has a high head carriage and not sure how much improvement you'd get from an Andy Oliver horse. On the plus side, Trans Island and Law Society mare would suggest soft ground wouldn't be a problem.
 
Miesque said:
A Ballydoyle cast-off sent to Wachman. Three parts sister to SIMPLY PERFECT. Pretty much ran backwards in his first two starts and won a very middling maiden at listowel in mud on his last start (all his runs). Sold for 95,000gns to P Martin.
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Pat Martin has done well with other peoples cast offs.
 
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Cantoris said:
No I didn't take your advice. I looked through the catalogue and simply gave up. Seriously, you need to go to the flat sales with 1000k and buy 5 for 20k, and one might turn out to be decent. It's a minefield. I'd much prefer to buy out of a bumper. I was interested in your view on Allied Answer.I see one he beat,Moveable Asset, is at Goffs on Friday. He finished behined Smithfield in that Listowel race but comprehensively turned over the form in Navan when third to Tugboat. I haven't looked at that race but it sounds like he has a high head carriage and not sure how much improvement you'd get from an Andy Oliver horse. On the plus side, Trans Island and Law Society mare would suggest soft ground wouldn't be a problem.
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Pity, he went cheaply too. Taking flat horses jumping does seem to be hit and miss unless you have bottomless pockets. I just don't rate AA at all - he never seemed to be particularly genuine ... or useful.

Sheikh said:
Pat Martin has done well with other peoples cast offs.
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True, hopefully he will go on and prove me wrong about him!
 
Which sire with five or more lots sold has the best average? Dynaformer: seven out of seven sold - all of them colts - for an aggregate of 439,500gns and an average of 62,786gns. Source: the racingpost.com/bloodstock sales search (4 hours ago)
 
With apologies for any noted anywhere else. Culled from this month's Owner & Breeder mag, Stallion Changes:

LILBOURNE LAD, Middle Park Stakes runner-up will stand at Rathbary Stud, Co. Cork in 2012. The son of ACCLAMATION won the Group 2 Railway Stakes this year.

RODERIC O'CONNOR, son of GALILEO victorious in this year's 2000 Guineas, is sold by Coolmore to stand at Poonawalla Stud in India.

DALGHAR, winner of the Group 3 Prix du Palais-Royal and a half-bro to DALAKHANI and DAYLAMI, to stand at Haras de Saint Arnoult in Normandy.

CAPE BLANCO, 4 y.o. son of GALILEO, is retired to Coolmore's Ashford Stud, Kentucky, after being injured in winning the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic, his third US Grade 1 win of 2011.

DREAM AHEAD, brilliant son of DIKTAT, winner of five Group 1s including the July Cup and Prix de la Foret, will stand at Ballylinch Stud in Co. Kilkenny next year.

MALINAS, young jumps sire to stand at Yorton Farm in Shropshire following sale by Haras de la Hetraie; this son of LOMITAS has his first 4 y.o.'s this year.

UNCLE MO, top US juvenile colt of last year, will stand at Coolmore's Ashford Stud, Kentucky, when his racing career finishes.
 
Just added Malinas to the Uk and Ireland list.

Canford to Coolmore
Pour Moi to Coolmore
Dream ahead to Ballylinch
Indian haven moves to Withyslade farm, UK.
Cape Blanco to the U.S
Lilbourne lad to Rathbarry
Doyen to Sunnyhill
Dick Turpin to National Stud (UK)
MALINAS, to Yorton Farm in Shropshire
 
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From the RP site:

Whitsbury Manor Stud announces stallion fees

WHITSBURY Manor Stud in Hampshire has announced its fees for the 2012 breeding season, with two stallions having their fees reduced.

Avonbridge, sire of Tuesday's Group 3 Prix de Seine-et-Oise winner Iver Bridge Lad, has had his fee reduced from £3,500 to £3,000.

Gimcrack Stakes winner Showcasing, who retired to Whistbury this year, has had his fee reduced by 10 per cent and will stand at £4,500.

Compton Place, sire of this year's star sprinter Deacon Blues, will remain at £6,000 and Sakhee's Secret, whose first two-year-0lds race in 2012, will stay at £5,500.

Whistbury Manor Stud manager Charlie Oakshott said: "We have set our fees to try and help commercial breeders in what are still difficult times and also taken the decision to offer new terms of no foal, free return to try and soften any unfortunate blow."
 
Question for Miesque and Sheikh: when I set out to do a little bit of breeding with Songsheet, I had no idea about the game at all. Yes, I was horsey, had owned my own and ridden a real bag of allsorts over the years (although not very competitively), but wee babbies and the care of them and their mums was a new area for me. One thing I didn't have a clue about, and would still be hard pressed beyond the screamingly obvious (like collapsed pasterns or two heads), is how to tell if a foal is born 'correct'?

What would a foal buyer being looking for, and what would s/he be concerned about? It's much easier when they're yearlings, and a doddle when they're two, but a foal... ?
 
I'll leave that one to Miesque if you don't mind Kri. A good question. Buying foals is a specialised area. An area in which knowledge of the family is extra valuable.
 
:lol: I just spent 3 hours seeing foals shown (in the pouring rain, I'll add!)

Much the same as a yearling -

overall conformation - the usual "scope, size and strength";Length of back, length of neck & connection to shoulder wither. Limbs particularly any angular limb deformities and corrections, offsetting of the knees, angulation of hocks (and presence of spavins), angle and position of shoulder (is he loaded over the shoulder?). I would always, always prefer to see a toed out foal over an overly straight or toed in foal 9although screws and strips can do a lot) Does (s)he have a good head or is he common? Colts should look like colts and fillies like fillies!

size - big gangly foals are unlikely to make 2yo types, while weak babyish foals are unlikely to catch up to their peers early in the season.

walk - covers ground, scope, generally just "uses himself well". We want him to drop his head and use his neck when he walks. Turns well - neuro problems often show up early as issues crossing the hind leg or turning a sharp circle.

temperament - scatty, hot fillies don't change much from here on in. Forgive a little colty behaviour from the boys.

It helps to have seen siblings and know how they are likely to shape up later.

We'll start assessing at 10 days of age and keep going from there.
 
Miesque, can you describe what a loaded shoulder would look like? Appreciate you're probably dying for warmth and a cuppa right now, though! It has absolutely smashed down here in Brighton for most of the day, so fully sympathise with you.
 
Am inside now, thankfully. Hope the weather clears up for tomorrow - Chruchill is miserable if it's wet!


Loaded shoulder - Overly heavy front end, on the forehand and stands underneath itself too much infront.
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Ah, so! Thanks very much for that - I'd started on a mental image of baby CHOISIR shoulders before that!

Keep warm and please do update us with whatever takes your eye - fascinating life you've got!
 
Miesque said:
overall conformation - the usual "scope, size and strength";Length of back, length of neck & connection to shoulder wither. Limbs particularly any angular limb deformities and corrections, offsetting of the knees, angulation of hocks (and presence of spavins), angle and position of shoulder (is he loaded over the shoulder?). I would always, always prefer to see a toed out foal over an overly straight or toed in foal 9although screws and strips can do a lot) Does (s)he have a good head or is he common? Colts should look like colts and fillies like fillies!
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That went straight over my head. My God, you must have been toying with me when you were listening to what I like to see in a horse!!
 
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