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Buying A Successful Broodmare
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Grand Armee
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...which will make him all the more difficult to get hold of.
And foal number two will be by the all-conquering (but unproven) Lucky Owners (a stallion that knocks your eye out). [/b][/quote]Lucky Owners actually was a brilliant racehorse, from Hong Kong, whom won 2 of the biggest group 1 races in that country, including the Hong Kong Mile on the International Race Day meets.
He is by Danehill, out of the champion broodmare sire, Kaapstad. The dam is a 3/4 sister to the world champion Might And Power, and his half sister was a Listed winner. Its also the same family of the one time world champion sire Sir Tristram.
The first of the Lucky Owners go through the sale this January at the Magic Millions which I will be attending (all four days of the major section of the sale).
As for buying a broodmare, a good mate of mine went to a tried sale out in the country, picked up a mare by the name of English Fantasy for $3000. When they bought her she wasn't in foal. They came to an agreement with Coolmore Stud, to foal share. So they got a free service to Johannesburg in 2005 (prior to him becoming a success), have now got a lovely bay colt by Johannesburg at foot, and have since been offered substantial money to part with the foal when he is weaned.
As they were new into the game, their plan of attack was to buy a mare around 15 to 18 years of age to start out with, from a decent broodmare line (this mare is actually out of a Derby and Classic winning mare named English Wonder, whom also has produced two Classic winners herself Asia and 4X Group 1 winner Dr Grace a top sire here). They also wanted to foal share, to help reduce the long term costs. In affect, they have come out winners. With the money they will now be able to invest into a younger mare, with a better pedigree.
I missed this thread first time around, so here's my tuppenceworth..
If you're looking at relatively bargain basement material, you've really got 2 basic strategies, (apart from mutating into Tesio!).
One is to buy a well-conformed multiple winner, regardless of how unfashionable her pedigree might be. She should be above claimer class, and have shown speed. This is the best bet, statistically.
The other option is to go for a well-conformed non-winner who's the daughter or granddaughter of a decent black type mare. Ability can often skip a generation or two.
If the mare is by a stallion who's either shown promise as a broodmare sire, or is the son of a decent broodmare sire, this might be considered a bonus.
Good luck.
If you're looking at relatively bargain basement material, you've really got 2 basic strategies, (apart from mutating into Tesio!).
One is to buy a well-conformed multiple winner, regardless of how unfashionable her pedigree might be. She should be above claimer class, and have shown speed. This is the best bet, statistically.
The other option is to go for a well-conformed non-winner who's the daughter or granddaughter of a decent black type mare. Ability can often skip a generation or two.
If the mare is by a stallion who's either shown promise as a broodmare sire, or is the son of a decent broodmare sire, this might be considered a bonus.
Good luck.
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Kathy
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Thanks for the advice, Venusian..
I have given a couple of suggested mares within my price range to a couple of people "in the know" who run the mare's details through some sort of computer programme to check on the compitability and then the outcome is rated. One mare comes out with about the right rating.
I am not sure how it all works, but it is all fascinating stuff for a novice like me even if it isn't an exact science.
I have given a couple of suggested mares within my price range to a couple of people "in the know" who run the mare's details through some sort of computer programme to check on the compitability and then the outcome is rated. One mare comes out with about the right rating.
I am not sure how it all works, but it is all fascinating stuff for a novice like me even if it isn't an exact science.
These "compatibility" programs are a total nonsense.
There are 2 types of people who specialise in these "tools" - romantic dreamers and charlatans. It will be easy for you to find out which sort they are. If they do it for free, they're in the former category, if they try to make you give them money, then it's the latter.
There are 2 types of people who specialise in these "tools" - romantic dreamers and charlatans. It will be easy for you to find out which sort they are. If they do it for free, they're in the former category, if they try to make you give them money, then it's the latter.
It depends on how you use them. If you base your breeding decision totally on their out put then your absolutely right. But if you use them for a quick glance through the pedigrees they can be quite handy. Like anything in breeding using one factor against all others will lead to failure and this is no different.
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Yes, those sort of figures absolutely shocked me, and certainly not in my budget... or even anywhere remotely close [/b][/quote]
I wouldn't worry about those prices - two Group 1 winners, the latter of which is Alexandrova's older sister!
Anyone know who bought them?
You don't need a computer program to look back 4 or 5 generations in a pedigree.
The free basic five 5 generation pedigree info you get on http://www.pedigreequery.com/ is quite sufficient.
It's interpretation that's the tricky bit, and no computer program can crack that!
The free basic five 5 generation pedigree info you get on http://www.pedigreequery.com/ is quite sufficient.
It's interpretation that's the tricky bit, and no computer program can crack that!
I wouldn't worry about those prices - two Group 1 winners, the latter of which is Alexandrova's older sister!
Anyone know who bought them? [/b][/quote]
Both of them are for the Rothschilds, to go to Waddesdon Stud, according to the RPost. Lucky James Wigan, with a budget like that to work with!
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And I bet its worked out best for both parties too?
Anyone else done a foal share?
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Kathy
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Hang on, guys. I am not paying anything for the "information" that I am receiving. Two different people that I have met through racing (one indirectly via Andrew Balding) have offered to help as I admit know very little about bloodlines. Someone on this forum has also been remarkably helpful too.
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Kathy
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Totally agree, Steve. Please bear in mind I am starting with extremely limited knowledge. I have a stallion in mind, and you can probably guess which one it is
, and as it is his first season alot of people have been wanting to help me. All they are doing is offering free advice and two of them have these "programmes" which rates the mares to give me an indication of whether I am looking at totally the wrong type of mare.I have learnt alot already (I hope) and whilst people are willing to advise, I am willing to listen!
tdk
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We are looking to buy one we can race this season and hopefully improve on her race record.
The one we are interested in should have a 2yo and 3yo running for the dam this season as well, with a yearling in the pipeline for the year after - so there is a chence we could get some improvement on the pedigree page from them.
Some of the mares have been going for silly money this week, but I'm hoping a relatively unfashionable sire and relatively unproven dam might give us a chance tonight...
The one we are interested in should have a 2yo and 3yo running for the dam this season as well, with a yearling in the pipeline for the year after - so there is a chence we could get some improvement on the pedigree page from them.
Some of the mares have been going for silly money this week, but I'm hoping a relatively unfashionable sire and relatively unproven dam might give us a chance tonight...
Good luck tdk (and Kathy) - buying a filly to race on and improve is a very good plan - you know you're taking a gamble but it can pay off bigtime.
We're still looking too - this forum could end up leading purchaser ! Not..
It's been just like the housing market - you sell well but if you want to buy well, it's going to cost just as much. I've had the video link running all day and it's certainly been interesting !
Foal shares are tricky and Scarvagh would not be an outfit I would want to share anything with....
I did a foal share with Darley re SULAMANI but that wouldn't have been a success commercially at all but has been completely without hassle so far and I am quietly confident the filly will turn out well - Mick Easterby's nobody's fool!
We're still looking too - this forum could end up leading purchaser ! Not..
It's been just like the housing market - you sell well but if you want to buy well, it's going to cost just as much. I've had the video link running all day and it's certainly been interesting !
Foal shares are tricky and Scarvagh would not be an outfit I would want to share anything with....
I did a foal share with Darley re SULAMANI but that wouldn't have been a success commercially at all but has been completely without hassle so far and I am quietly confident the filly will turn out well - Mick Easterby's nobody's fool!
...Mick Easterby’s too old to be a nobody’s foal!
Then again there's no foal like an old foal.
Yes, good luck tdk and Kathy. Your own advice will probably turn out to be best. As songsheet will tell you, the breeding lark's a piece of piss. :lol:
Then again there's no foal like an old foal.
Yes, good luck tdk and Kathy. Your own advice will probably turn out to be best. As songsheet will tell you, the breeding lark's a piece of piss. :lol:
BrianH
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It is also, of course, tax deductible.
tdk
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Thanks - and good luck to Kathy/Songsheet if you are bidding - I'm sure we will all need some luck with the way this sale has gone so far!
Agreed it has been fascinating to watch though - I have been along the last couple of nights and it has been quite a spectacle...
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ATR text reporting Magical Romance as being the most expensive filly or mare ever sold at auction. Fingers crossed they decided to correct that given Ashado's $9m price tag last year and Riskaverse went for a few quid too.