Frost vs Dunne

Bryony hadn't paid enough dues in the weighing room to get the profile she was getting. How she became the media darling pissed off several. Many in the weighing room felt that she was knocked down a peg or two. Dunne was the ballsy one who was willing to go further to put Bryony in her place. Rather than accepting it like a good young rider should, Bryony called it out. Dunne only doing what a good senior jockey should do, in his mind, regardless of how much obnoxious it looks to everyone else.

Even if it is claiming that it was Bryony's fault that Dunne's horse died at Southwell.
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing...88/support-the-arc-racing-club-handicap-chase

I'd urge people to watch the race. Cillian's well falls fatally in this at -3.24 (last fence down the back last circuit) so be warned on that one. Frost on Wisecracker edges and jumps left on several occasions throughout the race. Maybe the worst case was at the fence prior to the fall. At no stage is any horse interfered with. At no stage does Robbie Dunne need to take any action to avoid Wisecracker to cater for Bryony's riding.

Why I'm going into the detail on this is that in the very same race, Bagan falls at the third. In this Lee Edwards riding Canny Tom runs to the left on approach, doesnt try to correct his mount and jumps somewhat violently to the left squeezing up Bagan, who falls heavily. (-5.51, same fence first circuit) Had that been Bryony, there may be a case to answer.

Anyone riding in that race or watching the race after who believes Bryony is the one that needed to be cautioned is ridiculous and only trying to score points.
 
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This is what I wrote on another forum a few days ago and still stand by it:

“I am one of those who fully supports Bryony. As a female who worked in the industry from the late eighties who was also not afraid to put their head above the parapet and get it blown off (which happened on numerous occasions) I for one can totally empathise with her. Banter is one thing but this goes way, way beyond that and in this day and age it is completely unacceptable.

I have been there where I reported unsavoury actions. I stood up to a top trainer from Newmarket in the High Court as a witness to a negligence case......and got blacklisted for me troubles. As I had been sub poenaed to appear, I definitely wasn’t going to lie.....the trainer plus his buddies did otherwise.

So what if she has a PR team. She’s a highly successful professional in her sport. And one who has plenty of publicity on her. Don’t tell me Dettori doesn’t have one.

She did not intend this to become a long drawn out public gun fight, I am sure, that was down to the inadequacies of the BHA and the leak.

But why should anyone have to put up with threats whereby they feel going to work could result in them being deliberately harmed? And why should women have to put up with banter which oversteps the mark? I have been subjected to all sorts of verbal (and sometimes physical) abuse during my career. 99% of times I did not report it. Recently though having dismissed a sexual harassment case by a man I was working for, I was then approached by my replacement who told me he was doing the same to her. On further investigation I discovered this was not an isolated incident. And so I reported it firstly to the PPA and then the BHA got involved and swiftly put a warning in place to this individual.

Sexual harassment, verbal harassment, physical harassment has no place in any industry.”
 
And I will go on.

A great many of you on here are men. As consequently you have zero idea what it is like to be a female in a predominantly male environment and an outdated one at that. You do not get to experience that threat of masculinity which may appear as muscle flexing to some but as a female it goes a lot further. However good a female is in her sphere, she will almost never be stronger physically than her male counterparts and so if a physical threat comes her way, or a sexual one, then believe me, fear is real.

I also know that the “weighing room culture” is most definitely one of “put up or shut up” and why the hell should that continue? I would imagine there is plenty of jealousy going on towards Bryony. She not only has a very real talent on a horse but she has a persona that has quickly made her a media darling. She puts the animal first. And as a result that transcends across the divide from racing public to general public. Not an easy bridge but one that she has managed to cross with ease. And there most definitely will be resentment as a result.

If her riding was so blatantly dangerous, why did Robbie Dunne not speak to the stewards? Why did he take it upon himself to exact revenge?

I applaud her for standing up. It must have been incredibly difficult for her to speak out especially when so many of her peers were sticking together. (And remember how easy it is for bullies to look normal in front of those they are not bullying to make their target look weaker). She is a very young woman who has bravely stood up for herself.
 
On of the best posts that I have read in a long time jinnyj.

The world and the workplace have moved on, and the quicker all those in the weighing room realise it the better.
 
I think McCoy`s childish tweet does Dunne`s case no good at all. Just emphasises how immature and out of touch many of the "cavemen" of the Weighing Room are. What`s hard about bullying and using using foul, and again, childish abuse against a young woman? They need to grow-up and learn to be proper men in their attitudes to women.
 
He just jealous of her at the end of the day isn't he

Ive always rated Dunne as a jockey but he's had an underwhelming career in terms of achievements

Bryony has already won a King George, Ryanair and Tingle Creek and i think a lot of the other jockey's are a bit jealous of her

Verdict due at midday today, i reckon he'll get a 3 month ban and a precedent for future weighing room 'banter' will be set
 
When Rachael Blackmore first started riding she said many times she would be the only woman among the men but that has changed a lot ever since.

As Barry Geraghty once said she could hold her own in the weighing room and she got nothing but respect for it.

The woman is loved by almost everyone in the sport

Jamie Kah and Linda Meech have two of the most sought after jockeys in Australia and I dread to think what the banter is like in the Aussie weighing rooms.

3 Women who have made it to the top of their trade and are second to no man.

My point Jinny is for the right person there is no disadvantage of being a woman.
 
HawkWing said:
Anyone riding in that race or watching the race after who believes Bryony is the one that needed to be cautioned is ridiculous and only trying to score points.
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If that's a dig at me, HW, you can stow it.
I have no axe to grind. Bryony is a popular figure, and rightly so. but I do believe there are 2 sides to every dispute, and it's clear from ihe replay that she jumped into Dunne's path at the fatal fence. Whether there was contact is academic, she certainly moved far enough left to compromise the stricken horse, and cause it to come down.
End of, as far as I'm concerned.
 
To be fair Dunne rode like an idiot that day. Bryony's mount had been jumping markadly left and he was directly behind her then did the right thing and moved to her outside.

Then when a bit behind moved over to the fence but when they closed up it was like he forgot the horse was jumping left and decided to stay in the worse possible position.

At worse when Bryony's mount jumped left aain in it it might have put Dunne's mount off but the horse seemed to fall independantly.

Certainly wasn't her fault and Dunne should go to the toilet and look in the mirror
 
Can't have that at all, Fist. A respected pofessional intimated, somewhere in this saga, that Bryony thinks the rail is her property, and it's clear to see her cross 4 or 5 horses to get there, at one stage.
 
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Dunne's defence - which appears to amount to this particular ride having got him angry - is a fiction, imo. The language he used against Frost ("you fu*cking whore", "you fu*cking slut) suggests he has much deeper-rooted issues he would do well to try and address.

I don't know of any grown men who would use such language when speaking to a woman - at least not ones which I would consider to be all-there mentally. He has a serious problem with misogyny, imo.
 
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Can't have that at all, Fist. A respected pofessional intimated, somewhere in this saga, that Bryony thinks the rail is her property, and it's clear to see her cross 4 or 5 horses to get there, at one stage.
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That doesnt happen at all in the Southwell race. I would guess you haven't watched the video. https://www.sportinglife.com/racing...88/support-the-arc-racing-club-handicap-chase

And yes, you have a peculiar axe to grind.

Here is the photo with Bryony widest of all jumping the third (yellow colours), with space behind her if she wanted to move in - she actually travelled wide. Lee Edwards's mount jumping left and cannoning into a horse causing it to fall. Lee Edwards was not referenced in this until this thread because you could find a similar instance every second day racing. It is barely worth commenting on.

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Also this is Bryony supposedly causing Dunne's horse to fall.

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If you can tell me where on the video you believe Bryony rode a shocker, and cutting up three others (deliberately I presume) I'm all ears. You are using this ride as evidence that Dunne was justified to act the enforcer for the good of the weighing room. When if anyone caused a horse to fall it was Lee Edwards's ride, and even then that's a racing accident. All it does is show that Dunne was bullying her.
 
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I don't understand why a race riding dispute is being conflated with the personality of a young woman. Both, like Schrodinger's cat, can exist independently. I think the Southwell video is inconclusive in relation to intent. Horses sometimes jump sideways. Ref: Allaho on Sunday. Dunne and his supporters seem to be relying on the defence that she was a 'tall poppy' and deserved all she got. Bit like the way the Daily Heil treats Ms Markle.

(Disclosure: I don't care too much for BF's 'perky' post race interviews which I always felt were scripted and rehearsed and I am unsurprised to find out that she has a PR team. I remember posting on the forum around last Christmas time that 'when it comes to Frosty - I'm a No man.' I thought that this was hilarious and topically brilliant and was surprised that it received so little love.)
 
I must have missed the original post, Colm, but more than happy to give you belated high-fives on this delightful pun. :thumbsup:

I don't know whether her stuff is scripted, but I do find her very-mildly irritating - as I do with most jolly-hockey-sticks types - but that is no justification for the treatment Dunne has doled out to her.

I'd agree with previous posters. Petty jealousies are almost-certainly at play here........plus a general ignorance on the part of jockeys, that they don't live in a bubble.
 
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I don't understand why a race riding dispute is being conflated with the personality of a young woman. Both, like Schrodinger's cat, can exist independently. I think the Southwell video is inconclusive in relation to intent. Horses sometimes jump sideways. Ref: Allaho on Sunday. Dunne and his supporters seem to be relying on the defence that she was a 'tall poppy' and deserved all she got. Bit like the way the Daily Heil treats Ms Markle.

(Disclosure: I don't care too much for BF's 'perky' post race interviews which I always felt were scripted and rehearsed and I am unsurprised to find out that she has a PR team. I remember posting on the forum around last Christmas time that 'when it comes to Frosty - I'm a No man.' I thought that this was hilarious and topically brilliant and was surprised that it received so little love.)
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Well, it’sno joke is it.
 
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BREAKING: Robbie Dunne found guilty of all four charges of conduct prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct and good reputation of racing, including bullying and harassing Bryony Frost, by a BHA disciplinary panel in London
 
Delighted to hear that and there are some people named Scudamore and McCoy + others who need to take a long look at themselves in their mirror.
 
Shithousery alert.

Robbie Dunne rides a horse owned by his brother at Cheltenham on Friday.

It's name is Pretty Little Liar.
 
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BREAKING: Robbie Dunne found guilty of all four charges of conduct prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct and good reputation of racing, including bullying and harassing Bryony Frost, by a BHA disciplinary panel in London
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The 'sentence' will be interesting (unlike many sentences in this thread :lol:)
 
"Dunne could be banned for up to three years", according to the RP article reporting on the findings of the enquiry.
 
The National Hunt jockey Robbie Dunne has been found guilty of pursuing a campaign of bullying and harassment against his fellow rider, Bryony Frost, at the end of a six-day hearing of the case by the British Horseracing Authority’s independent disciplinary panel in London.

The three-person panel adjourned to consider its verdict on Wednesday and returned on Thursday to tell the rider that it had found him in breach on the most serious charge against him, that he had engaged in “conduct prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct and good reputation of horse racing by bullying and harassing a fellow jockey”.

The panel will now consider its penalty, and release the full written reasons for its finding at a later date. However, Brian Barker, the panel’s chair, told Dunne that its conclusion was that “a course of deliberate conduct over a significant period of time has been revealed”.

He added: “This progressed from distasteful targeting to deliberate harassment both on and off the course, including occasional cases of dangerous bullying [on the course].”

Barker commended Frost as a “truthful, careful and compelling” witness, and said that in taking her complaint to the BHA, “she has broken the [weighing room] code, knowing that isolation and rejection by some was inevitable”.

The panel, he continued, acknowledged that Mr Dunne believed after a race at Southwell on 3 September 2020 that Frost’s riding was had caused the death of his mount, Cillian’s Well. However, he said that panel had been “unable to accept his sweep of denials, criticisms [of Frost] and his reasoning”, pointing out that Gavin Sheehan, who gave evidence on Dunne’s behalf, had described him as a “****-taker”, and that Dunne saw himself as “one of the elders of the weighing room and someone who expected his view to be heeded.”

Barker also suggested clearly that the panel’s finding raises questions that both the BHA and Professional Jockeys’ Association will need to address.

In reviewing the “evidence and approach” of “jockeys of repute and valets, who probably find themselves in a difficult position”, Barker said the panel had “real concern” to what Louis Weston [for the BHA] referred to as “the weighing room culture … is deep-rooted and coercive, and in itself not conducive to the good health and development of modern-day race-riding”
 
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