Frost vs Dunne

[2017diary]

reading the previous comments it's a case of tin hat on but & here's my take

It's always said there's two sides to every story, problem for me here is that there were always going to be three sides to this sorry tale and the next phase may focus on the BHA

 

[trudij]

reading the previous comments it's a case of tin hat on but & here's my take

It's always said there's two sides to every story, problem for me here is that there were always going to be three sides to this sorry tale and the next phase may focus on the BHA

Agree. Be interesting to see what they come
Out with bearing in mind their part in it as well.


It’s a difficult one because it’s not as cut and dried as if similar was to happen in an office or a “normal” working environment.

Briony has done more for women in racing with this that any of us can really comprehend I think - there will be changes for the better in so many ways.


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[LUKE]

I'm not so sure Len. A subsection of female jockeys have issued a statement which, if I interpret it correctly, says that BF is talking shoite and in no way campaigning on their behalf.

https://twitter.com/search?q=pja&src=typed_query

I think PJA will spilt into the official lady jockeys (stickies) and the provisional lady jockeys.

Very good -even by your standards.

 

[HawkWing]

reading the previous comments it's a case of tin hat on but & here's my take

It's always said there's two sides to every story, problem for me here is that there were always going to be three sides to this sorry tale and the next phase may focus on the BHA

I think if there was a second side to this story, Dunne should have presented it at the hearing. Sometimes, there is a clear guilty party.

 

[Tanlic]

Sticks and stones...My only question now in the crazy mixed up world is who will get the stiffer sentence Robbie Dunne or Jussie Smollet?

 

[barjon]

To judge from the reception Bryony has been getting on racecourses up and down the country it’s clear where the racing public stand in this sad and sorry tale. I do hope that those in the Weighing Room come to understand and place the blame for it all precisely where it belongs - on the shoulders of Robbie Dunne. That’s not too much to ask is it?

That was a forlorn hope then

 

[Grey]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...bbie-dunnes-abuse-of-bryony-frost-is-shameful

 

[reet hard]

I think if there was a second side to this story, Dunne should have presented it at the hearing. Sometimes, there is a clear guilty party.

Hopefully, that evidence would have been nearer to the truth than your carefully choreographed photos?

 

[HawkWing]

Hopefully, that evidence would have been nearer to the truth than your carefully choreographed photos?

Still waiting for the evidence of what she did wrong. This is the third time I've asked, and the second thread in which you have made these claims. I have posted the video and I have stills from all fences, so name the instances. Or else just take your beating.

Interestingly Matt Chapman on Sky Sports racing yesterday, someone firmly in the Dunne camp, outlined how he had watched the video and couldn't find anything she did wrong. He didnt quite piece it together that it was clear evidence of the bullying but he's getting there.

Hi Matt.

 

[trudij]

I’m astonished there is a go fund me for him. I’m not surprised by the messages of support I’ve seen from people in the weighing room past and present, saddened by some of them from people I thought better of, but not surprised - but I’m gobsmacked that they are doing this.

Seven months of bullying and harassment. That’s almost the entirety of his partner’s pregnancy he has chosen to behave like this. Doesn’t matter that he did it to a woman, that’s almost irrelevant ( though I bet he wouldn’t have done it to a bloke.) but how the hell must she feel about the whole situation…


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[Grasshopper]

Brony is experiencing currently experiencing what is effectively the standard for all whistle-blowers.......being ostracised from the club/organisation you were once a part of.

I suspect she probably had a fair idea it would turn out this way - she was almost certainly advised of the risks - and her knowing the likely consequences only makes me admire her more for going through with it. She might be suffering now, but she can hopefully find some solace in the fact that she is highly-likely to make life better for any female jockeys who come after her.

 

[trudij]

Brony is experiencing currently experiencing what is effectively the standard for all whistle-blowers.......being ostracised from the club/organisation you were once a part of.

I suspect she probably had a fair idea it would turn out this way - she was almost certainly advised of the risks - and her knowing the likely consequences only makes me admire her more for going through with it. She might be suffering now, but she can hopefully find some solace in the fact that she is highly-likely to make life better for any female jockeys who come after her.

Absolutely. The bravery she’s shown and will continue to show is incredible. She’s going to leave a legacy in so many more ways than just on the track - that was the easy bit!!


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[reet hard]

Still waiting for the evidence of what she did wrong. This is the third time I've asked, and the second thread in which you have made these claims. I have posted the video and I have stills from all fences, so name the instances. Or else just take your beating.

Interestingly Matt Chapman on Sky Sports racing yesterday, someone firmly in the Dunne camp, outlined how he had watched the video and couldn't find anything she did wrong. He didnt quite piece it together that it was clear evidence of the bullying but he's getting there.

Hi Matt.

Your photo approaching the fatal fence is clearly contrived a couple of strides before the incident. Not the first time you've corrupted evidence to suit your own point,either.
I'm done with you.

 

[granger]

Have any of the TV ex jocks dared to dip a toe in the water and speak on the topic?

 

[Marb]

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[an capall]

I think it might benefit BF to decamp to Ireland for a bit. Does she have any connections with a major stable that would give her some work and rides? Rachael is an established alpha-leader in the weighing room here, and Katie, Nina and Lisa etc have long ensured that the atmosphere is more empathetic/blind to gender. They would have slapped down any oul' shite at source.

(I wonder if part of the culture in GB is born from that fact that the BF phenonomen is new to NH code, ergo resentment. Female brilliance in jumping game is long established here.)



She could commute for Frodon and that other yoke that won the Tingle Creek. I'm sure PFN would like to be seen doing the right thing.

 

[Marb]

Doesn’t matter that he did it to a woman, that’s almost irrelevant ( though I bet he wouldn’t have done it to a bloke.) but how the hell must she feel about the whole situation…


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Oh strictly speaking I think it matters that she was a women, Trudj.

I do have to pull you up on that sentence.

 

[trudij]

Oh strictly speaking I think it matters that she was a women, Trudj.

I do have to pull you up on that sentence.

Oh pull me up on whatever you like - I’m well aware i I often don’t come over how I mean to [emoji4]
I just meant that it doesn’t matter if it was Briony, any other female or some wet behind the ears conditional - it’s not acceptable and that so many seem to think it’s fine is worrying. That he’s got a pregnant partner at home while he’s doing this just intensifies it to me - what would he think if it was someone doing it to her for any amount of time, let alone seven months?!


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[barjon]

Your photo approaching the fatal fence is clearly contrived a couple of strides before the incident. Not the first time you've corrupted evidence to suit your own point,either.
I'm done with you.

I’ve looked at the race, reet, and as far as I can see there was no interference. Bryony’s horse continually jumped left and crossed the path of horses behind, but they were never close enough to suffer interference. Same goes for the incident itself and I think Tanlic(?) made a good point when he said that Dunne was in a position for a long time to see that Bryony’s horse was jumping left and had more than adequate time to plot his route accordingly.

 

[Desperate Dan]

One of the most moving aspects of the case was the testimony of the young amateur rider, Hannah Welch, who testified that Dunne`s behaviour towards her was a major factor in her giving up the sport. What sort of man verbally abuses and threatens young women (20 years or more younger than him)? I wonder how McCoy, Harvey and co would react if daughters of theirs were treated in such a manner?

 

[Marb]

Oh pull me up on whatever you like - I’m well aware i I often don’t come over how I mean to [emoji4]
I just meant that it doesn’t matter if it was Briony, any other female or some wet behind the ears conditional - it’s not acceptable and that so many seem to think it’s fine is worrying. That he’s got a pregnant partner at home while he’s doing this just intensifies it to me - what would he think if it was someone doing it to her for any amount of time, let alone seven months?!


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Yes i understand your clarification, Trud.

I am with you and the others to support Briony.

She has brought a serious issue to the fore and good for her and anyone else in a similiar situation for doing so.

Bullying and foul mouthed comments have been going on in all realms of reality, whether in real life or online since the beginning of mankind.

Good for Briony but now lets try and move on and progress this situation so jockeys learn from it.

For me this case would warrant more attention if any of the abuse was physical..i.e Dunne drew a sawn off shot gun to Brionys head...but thankfully none of that happend.

Finally, in the context of world injustices this case in itself is ultimately not that high on the list.

It does set a precedent though, one I would argue, (like you and others), is ultimately a good one for the sport and the culture of the weighing room.

 

[barjon]

One of the most moving aspects of the case was the testimony of the young amateur rider, Hannah Welch, who testified that Dunne`s behaviour towards her was a major factor in her giving up the sport. What sort of man verbally abuses and threatens young women (20 years or more younger than him)? I wonder how McCoy, Harvey and co would react if daughters of theirs were treated in such a manner?

Yes, the jockeys might not like their dirty washing to be paraded before the public, but it’s no use pretending it’s not dirty. How anyone can even begin to condone the treatment these two young ladies received is beyond me. I had a lot of admiration for a lot of them, but they are destroying it fast.

 

[Tanlic]

As I mentioned beforesticks and stone will break my bones but name will never hurt me.


18 months? I remember Callum McKinnes lying to the panel stating he was riding a normal race on World trip but he should have been given an Oscar for acting. He blatently never tried a leg on the horse a 150/1 shot at Hereford.
But because he's not AP McCoy (Just an example) and it wasn't a high profile case on every media outlet he gets 56 days for bringing the game into disrpute.

Dunne's case has been published by every racing media outlet for week so it gave Barker QC the opportunity to pick up some brownie points........totally unfair sentence IMO

 

[Grey]

I hope they’re listening, Barjon.

The racing world is very good at rallying round to help people in trouble. Hospital visits, supportive phone calls, Fund raising both discreet and public. Charlie Deutsch, the late Pat Smullen and many others can testify to how people in the weighing room stood by them in a moment of crisis. This side of their culture, which they are rightly proud of, is definitely not rancid.

But there is a negative side to it as well. Younger jockeys get put in their place, sometimes unfairly (at least Frankie apologised to Dylan Browne McMonagle), senior jockeys get to line up at the start where they want, juniors ones get told to make the running when no one else wants to. A lot of that goes on in other workplaces too, and it might be fairly said that you should have to earn your privileges. But this case was a lot more serious, both in scale and duration, and they need to acknowledge it.

 

[reet hard]

I’ve looked at the race, reet, and as far as I can see there was no interference. Bryony’s horse continually jumped left and crossed the path of horses behind, but they were never close enough to suffer interference. Same goes for the incident itself and I think Tanlic(?) made a good point when he said that Dunne was in a position for a long time to see that Bryony’s horse was jumping left and had more than adequate time to plot his route accordingly.

If a horse is ccontinually jumpinj left, then that's the jock who should plot their route accordingly.
Byrony didn't.