Glorious Goodwood

The way I saw Des or at least i saw it when outsider pointed it out was he was hampered last year he'd more or less missed the kick and he still finished 6th which is in bookies terms is technically placed. He was 13lb? better off this time around and 33/1 at the time i got to him so for me at least that's a no brainer e/w. I think there is a danger that sometimes you can think ones being plotted up when its actually just gone at the game but I personally thought he'd showed enough in his last couple of races to say that wasn't the case. I don't think anybody could of expected him to win in the fashion that he did because i don't think he's won by that far in his life. Personally i don't think its a year long plot either as he's looked to have been running on his merits i dare say as the day got nearer even O meara would of been thinking he was gonna miss the cut. The only plot eye can see is just outsider waiting in the wings for the right time to pounce and as usual he nailed it.

Tbh from the looks of it the whole forum has had a decent Galway/Goodwood bash plenty of winners and big priced placers flying about that's the main thing.

Tomorrow or today as it is now looks a very tough day.
 
I'm said Plot a bit tongue in cheek as myself and yorick have waited from last year to this for this to happen and it came off.
I said in my write up he had been a bit disappointing but had come back into form and we always believed he needed a mile and last year I had him down for the Cambridgeshire but they took him out.
So I'm a bit surprised at your response DO as you are always on about plots.
I think Omeara was hoping to get in but still had Blue for you as back up.he wouldnt have been that price if Tudhope had rode it.
And then takes Shelir out and switched Jason Watson on to it.
And yes Danny I didnt expect him to win like that.that was extracting the urine.
Anyway,there are a few happy with the result.plot or not.
 
While I'm chuffed for members who bet the horse, the aim was to point out the cards fell right for the winner, rather than a plan to win the race as cosy as it seemed.
Danny Tudhope didn't ride it, there's little doubt he'd have been on the winner - given a similarly clear passage.
 
Pretty ropey meeting for a Saturday..
I guess they get a big enough crowd that moving the likes of the Gold Cup wouldn't increase it that much?
 
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yorick said:
When interference takes place is often key to the effect it has, you'll agree and it's my opinion that what happened in the race last year took him out of his stride at just the wrong time. The jockey tried but then had no choice but to accept defeat and this, imo again, contributed to the margin of defeat. I wouldn't take the 6L too literally.
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Nothing much to disagree with there, yorick.


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In any event, they wrangled him into the race off a stone lighter this year and that was no accident. I accept the old boy may have some ideas of his own but I'm convinced today was the long term plan after last year's interference.
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I'm not convinced, tbh, yorick. There's no way they could have expected him to get in off that mark. I can accept that they'd decided to get his mark down as far as possible then see how they could exploit it from the summer on. Maybe the Clipper Logistics was the original plan with maybe a penalty to defy before being reassessed. I also think the decision even to run him was draw-based. O'Meara hinted as much when he mentioned withdrawing Shelir (which I will be backing at York). I think O'Meara's plan was to get as many into the race as possible off as low a mark as possible and see what the draw threw up. I think he's done the same with the Stewards' Cup. He is a pure bandit :lol:


yorick said:
I would agree that he wouldn't be one to rely on totally but hey, who cares? He did the job and I'm happy to accept that my race reading is up to scratch and my eyes didn't deceive me in last year's race. You write 'instincts', inferring I've been a very lucky boy whereas I would contend that my racing eyes are impeccable lol.
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Not at all, yorick, you're reading 'way too much into my comments. You've been proved spot on and your win is thoroughly deserved.

And you should be on here more than you are. The more sensible and respectful debate the better :)
 
Danny said:
The way I saw Des or at least i saw it when outsider pointed it out was he was hampered last year he'd more or less missed the kick and he still finished 6th which is in bookies terms is technically placed. He was 13lb? better off this time around and 33/1 at the time i got to him so for me at least that's a no brainer e/w. I think there is a danger that sometimes you can think ones being plotted up when its actually just gone at the game but I personally thought he'd showed enough in his last couple of races to say that wasn't the case. I don't think anybody could of expected him to win in the fashion that he did because i don't think he's won by that far in his life. Personally i don't think its a year long plot either as he's looked to have been running on his merits i dare say as the day got nearer even O meara would of been thinking he was gonna miss the cut. The only plot eye can see is just outsider waiting in the wings for the right time to pounce and as usual he nailed it.
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Yes. I just think if Orbaan was plan A Tudhope would have been on it. I think they expected it to run very well but I think it surprised even them.

I know sometimes with big operations they 'allow' second-choice jockeys to pick up a nice one but I'm not convinced that was in play here. Watson said O'Meara had to talk him into riding Orbaan.
 
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Outsider said:
I'm said Plot a bit tongue in cheek as myself and yorick have waited from last year to this for this to happen and it came off.
I said in my write up he had been a bit disappointing but had come back into form and we always believed he needed a mile and last year I had him down for the Cambridgeshire but they took him out.
So I'm a bit surprised at your response DO as you are always on about plots.
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Yes, I am always on about plots and I love 'em.

I just think you could have locked Agatha Christie, Alfred Hitchcock and Frederick Forsyth in a room for a week and they couldn't have come up with a three-length win for Orbaan :lol:

(And it's sooooo unlike me to under-estimate O'Meara!)
 
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Slim said:
Wonderful to read the thread cold after the event and see that none of you learnt anything about Kyprios.
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Er, you didn’t read my blog then :D only had two full bore bets during the week and Kyprios was one of them. He’ll be on the perch for some time, I reckon.
 
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Anyway, moving on to the final day...

As per before, I think I've mentioned most of these at some point over the last couple of days, saying that I've backed them as I've done so.

So just to collate it all (written on Thursday, with edits):

2.10 - I like this race; it’s been kind to me down the years. Of those entered in the Ebor, probably only Euchen Glen and Trawlerman won’t need to pick up a penalty, although the latter is very much borderline on that score and only Sam Cooke would come close to getting in but the handicapper seems to have his measure. Mark Johnston has won this four times in the last seven years so his trio have to be considered although I think the handicapper also has a hold of Soapy Stevens now. The other two are worth taking. The top rating plus the claim make Boss Power the main bet even though my gut is saying “no”. The one whose profile I like the best is Cemhaan who didn’t get the best of runs in the Chookie Embra. These four against the field at the best odds and terms will do me.

2.45 - This is probably between the top two [in my ratings table] but Sea La Rosa is 13/8 and Forbearance is 18/1 so if the ‘dead eight’ stand their ground an each-way bet on her is a no-brainer. I’ve taken 16/1 to four places.

3.20 - [I could have written an essay on every runner but...] It’s impossible to know how the draw (high numbers nearside) is going to pan out here so I’m just backing a handful and hoping for the best. I’ve already taken Batwan 40/1, Coachello 40/1 and Typhoon Ten 66/1 to get them onside in case they end up backed. I think Commanche Falls might be the one to beat. I thought he looked potentially better than ever first time up and he unseated at the start in the Wokingham. Summerghand, Gulliver (Danny Tudhope goes to Thirsk…) and Tinto would all have serious shouts on their career peak form too. Inver Park (top of my ratings on this season's form) has an undeniably good chance too but he’s on the short side. I have a sneaking suspicion about Saint Lawrence. He’s held some fancy entries this season and a big run would be no surprise. Commanche Falls the main bet, the first three as mentioned and small cover win bets on the others. I'll also be adding Outsider's longshot Zargun as I've just noticed he's co-second-top [of five] in my ratings table so shouldn't be 66/1. It's also interesting that O'Meara reportedly instructed his representative to pick low draws for his horses. Maybe the far side will hold sway.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Yes, I am always on about plots and I love 'em.

I just think you could have locked Agatha Christie, Alfred Hitchcock and Frederick Forsyth in a room for a week and they couldn't have come up with a three-length win for Orbaan :lol:

(And it's sooooo unlike me to under-estimate O'Meara!)
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Don’t forget he also had the second home, so if Orbaan hadn’t got in he’d still have won the race. Presumably he aimed to put his team for the race in the best position so that whoever got in/got the draw/got the going/got the clear running was likely going to be competitive. I would think once Orbaan got in he was rubbing his hands.
 
barjon said:
Don’t forget he also had the second home, so if Orbaan hadn’t got in he’d still have won the race. Presumably he aimed to put his team for the race in the best position so that whoever got in/got the draw/got the going/got the clear running was likely going to be competitive. I would think once Orbaan got in he was rubbing his hands.
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It's the same old story, BJ - it's always subterfuge at play when DO hasn't backed them, or when they beat one he's supported.:lol::lol:
 
Desert Orchid said:
Anyway, moving on to the final day...

As per before, I think I've mentioned most of these at some point over the last couple of days, saying that I've backed them as I've done so.

So just to collate it all (written on Thursday, with edits):

2.10 - I like this race; it’s been kind to me down the years. Of those entered in the Ebor, probably only Euchen Glen and Trawlerman won’t need to pick up a penalty, although the latter is very much borderline on that score and only Sam Cooke would come close to getting in but the handicapper seems to have his measure. Mark Johnston has won this four times in the last seven years so his trio have to be considered although I think the handicapper also has a hold of Soapy Stevens now. The other two are worth taking. The top rating plus the claim make Boss Power the main bet even though my gut is saying “no”. The one whose profile I like the best is Cemhaan who didn’t get the best of runs in the Chookie Embra. These four against the field at the best odds and terms will do me.

2.45 - This is probably between the top two [in my ratings table] but Sea La Rosa is 13/8 and Forbearance is 18/1 so if the ‘dead eight’ stand their ground an each-way bet on her is a no-brainer. I’ve taken 16/1 to four places.

3.20 - [I could have written an essay on every runner but...] It’s impossible to know how the draw (high numbers nearside) is going to pan out here so I’m just backing a handful and hoping for the best. I’ve already taken Batwan 40/1, Coachello 40/1 and Typhoon Ten 66/1 to get them onside in case they end up backed. I think Commanche Falls might be the one to beat. I thought he looked potentially better than ever first time up and he unseated at the start in the Wokingham. Summerghand, Gulliver (Danny Tudhope goes to Thirsk…) and Tinto would all have serious shouts on their career peak form too. Inver Park (top of my ratings on this season's form) has an undeniably good chance too but he’s on the short side. I have a sneaking suspicion about Saint Lawrence. He’s held some fancy entries this season and a big run would be no surprise. Commanche Falls the main bet, the first three as mentioned and small cover win bets on the others. I'll also be adding Outsider's longshot Zargun as I've just noticed he's co-second-top [of five] in my ratings table so shouldn't be 66/1. It's also interesting that O'Meara reportedly instructed his representative to pick low draws for his horses. Maybe the far side will hold sway.
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He has run against Chil Chil before (who Pricewise tips, btw) and has run some cracking top class races, too, Saint Lawrence. If we notice that he ran Rohaan to 1L last season at level weights (6f) and Khadem to 1L at levels (5f), we might raise an eyebrow to see him in here carrying 9-7 and sitting on 20/1. The run before last he ran in the King's Stand over 5f (Gp 1) and although well beaten, he was noted doing his best work at the finish. This might suggest that his 9-7 in this handicap could be an underestimation of his abilities.

A cautionary note, however: he's drawn 7 and that, I see, has not provided a single winner since 1990. So if you are the sort to be strictly stats-guided, you'd be swerving the horse.

I'm not of that ilk when it comes to the draw in this race.
 
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yorick said:
A cautionary note, however: he's drawn 7 and that, I see, has not provided a single winner since 1990. So if you are the sort to be strictly stats-guided, you'd be swerving the horse.

I'm not of that ilk when it comes to the draw in this race.
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Most certainly not :)
 
I got every reason to hate the Stewards cup. Well not really.. I bought a filly Storm Runner via Tony Charlton through Gosden's travelling head lad Andrew "Sammy Stringer" for 5k.
We got her cheap because she never made her reserve at the sales and the seller didn't wan't to take her back to Ireland and pay more costs till he could sell her again.

I sold half to my partner Ronnie and we ran her in his name as our previous horse was in my name. First time up she was beaten in a photo by Donavan Rose trained by Jack Berry.

We thought we had won a watch as she wasn't anywhere near 100% but alas she decided she liked the look of fire and ran straight into a pile of wood the builder was burning in the yard,.

She became quite scatty but eventually we got her mind right and Pat Eddery rode her at Haydock and told us that if we dropped her in class she would win.

So we went the whole hog and dropped her into Selling Class and she pizzed up. Tony called me and said she is in tomorrow again can I run her again?

I couldn't go racing because of business so I just said ok. Went into the local bookes and low and behold she had won.

What I didn't know because I was so busy to look is it was another seller.

Aldeera Bloodstock went all out and broke the track record for the most paid for a selling race winner at about 14K
not the done thing is it?

As we weren't there Tony had no choice but let her go.

She wnt on to repeat the dose in H'caps winning 2 in 2 days then they put her in the Steward Cup.

She was 50/1 and I thought they were crazy but last going into the final furlong she flew home and finished 5th beaten about 3 lengths by memory.

What came next was like being poked in the eye with a shrap stick. They sold her to a stud in Abu Dhabi for 92,000 pounds:( Such is life.
 
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barjon said:
Er, you didn’t read my blog then :D only had two full bore bets during the week and Kyprios was one of them. He’ll be on the perch for some time, I reckon.
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What's he talking about everyone on the forum said it was a certainty and backed the horse.... Honestly :whistle:
 
By the way, if you get a double post, go to 'edit post' and press 'delete'. You'll then get asked to select 'Delete post' again and that will do it.
 
Tanlic said:
I got every reason to hate the Stewards cup. Well not really.. I bought a filly Storm Runner via Tony Charlton through Gosden's travelling head lad Andrew "Sammy Stringer" for 5k.
We got her cheap because she never made her reserve at the sales and the seller didn't wan't to take her back to Ireland and pay more costs till he could sell her again.

I sold half to my partner Ronnie and we ran her in his name as our previous horse was in my name. First time up she was beaten in a photo by Donavan Rose trained by Jack Berry.

We thought we had won a watch as she wasn't anywhere near 100% but alas she decided she liked the look of fire and ran straight into a pile of wood the builder was burning in the yard,.

She became quite scatty but eventually we got her mind right and Pat Eddery rode her at Haydock and told us that if we dropped her in class she would win.

So we went the whole hog and dropped her into Selling Class and she pizzed up. Tony called me and said she is in tomorrow again can I run her again?

I couldn't go racing because of business so I just said ok. Went into the local bookes and low and behold she had won.

What I didn't know because I was so busy to look is it was another seller.

Aldeera Bloodstock went all out and broke the track record for the most paid for a selling race winner at about 14K
not the done thing is it?

As we weren't there Tony had no choice but let her go.

She wnt on to repeat the dose in H'caps winning 2 in 2 days then they put her in the Steward Cup.

She was 50/1 and I thought they were crazy but last going into the final furlong she flew home and finished 5th beaten about 3 lengths by memory.

What came next was like being poked in the eye with a shrap stick. They sold her to a stud in Abu Dhabi for 92,000 pounds:( Such is life.
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Could have been worse, tan. She might have won the Stewards :D
 
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