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Ian_Davies said:
Regarding this last sentence, I just think social demographics are changing and fewer people identify with the labels we perhaps grew up with.
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I think the demographic has moved as I think working class reffered to a generation who worked hard and just got by and lived fairly simple lives. Now that class of people are more the benefit street and people topped up with universal credit for working part time.

I think in this day and age if you work hard and put in all the hours and with half decent with money management I.e you don't have any majorly out of control vices then I think you've propelled yourself into a middle class and a very decent standard of living. You may feel no better off because it's a more consumerist society. I.e if you're just an employee or a worker you can basically work your tit's off and you might have a slightly nicer house, nicer car, nicer holiday and more "stuff" than those on benefit street but I think most people in that situation are running as hard as they can just to stay in the exact same spot. Like a hamster wheel of doom there's always something coming up.

I work in a foundry my dad worked there before me and back in his day the car park would've been full of labourers cars old Fiestas, minis, escorts. Now the car park is rammed with Bmws, mercs, land rovers new hybrids cars with values of 30- 70k all owned by labourers. I've always found it strange to have that much car sat outside the Foundry all week as you're working 70 hours a week to pay for it. I'd rather work less hours have a more modest motor and be out and about in it every weekend.
 
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Expectations are unrealistic and successive tory governments, particularly since 2008, aimed to put working class people back in their box.

The major conglomerates are doing their bidding, forcing up prices unnecessarily because they want 'our' money.

There is absolutely no need, for example, for energy prices to be as high as they are but someone high up the food chain decided to hike the prices and work on the assumption that we would get used to them over time and adjust our spending elsewhere.

Many times I have envisaged a meeting at board level where one underling has said, 'People walking to work are stopping off at coffee shops and sending four or five quid on a coffee. They'll probably so the same thing on the way home and, who knows, maybe at their lunch break. That's £12-£15 disposable income per day, around £250 per month. We could get a lot of that money if we hike our prices and let them choose which coffees to miss out on." And someone further up has said, 'Great idea, let's do that.'

No one will ever convince me that a car that cost around £20k five years ago should suddenly cost £35k because they swapped an ICE for a battery. It's rank profiteering.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Expectations are unrealistic and successive tory governments, particularly since 2008, aimed to put working class people back in their box.
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Can't agree with that Maurice. I've been a Shop steward over the last couple of years never really wanted to do it but ended up taking it on. I'm probably the most right leaning Conservative union guy around. Out of the 2 realistic choices we have in the vote the Labour Party or the Labour party as its been for as long as I can remember is not for the working man.

Aside from the corrupt, bent and completely out of touch politicians the Tory party look after the rich but that's not the worst idea as usually it's rich people who pay the poor. Squeeze the rich the shit just flows downhill. I'm no political expert and don't pretend to understand the economy but speaking from experience I'm as working class as you get spent most of my life labouring as my dad did before me and ive always been better off under Tory rule. My dad probably went through his toughest times under Thatcher as he'd just bought a house when the interest rates sky rocketed to around 15% and when the poll tax came in. I wasn't really old enough to have taken it all in at the time so people who went through that may well have a different view but I stand by the opinion that the working man however bizarre it seems is better off under the torys.
 
Danny said:
Can't agree with that Maurice. I've been a Shop steward over the last couple of years never really wanted to do it but ended up taking it on. I'm probably the most right leaning Conservative union guy around. Out of the 2 realistic choices we have in the vote the Labour Party or the Labour party as its been for as long as I can remember is not for the working man.

Aside from the corrupt, bent and completely out of touch politicians the Tory party look after the rich but that's not the worst idea as usually it's rich people who pay the poor. Squeeze the rich the shit just flows downhill. I'm no political expert and don't pretend to understand the economy but speaking from experience I'm as working class as you get spent most of my life labouring as my dad did before me and ive always been better off under Tory rule. My dad probably went through his toughest times under Thatcher as he'd just bought a house when the interest rates sky rocketed to around 15% and when the poll tax came in. I wasn't really old enough to have taken it all in at the time so people who went through that may well have a different view but I stand by the opinion that the working man however bizarre it seems is better off under the torys.
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Historically, yes, the working class in the UK has ended up better off under the Tories. But that’s been a relatively recent thing, Danny. Thatcher sold off council houses - without replacing them - to create working class ownership of homes. That wasn’t necessarily a bad thing either.

But the economic tragedy is that those bribes, alongside unfounded tax cuts, has contributed to a massive historical national debt. That a Labour government has inherited and somehow gets the blame for.
 
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