King George Chase
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granger
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He gave Davy the cup of tea treatment
Though it may seem that way Reet, I actually rate Hendo highly and would obviously agree he’d know infinitely more than I as to what tests are likely to suit his horses but his comments in yesterday’s RP were frustrating as he moans that Champ has been entered for the Long Walk because he’s run out of options to run him over fences due to him “needing to go left handed over fences”
Now 1) The only racecourse evidence there to back that up is he has on occasion jumped slightly left when racing left handed but he’s never once run right handed over fences and has in fact only run that way round once over hurdles (at the same track as the Long Walk)
2) The Charlie Hall, Betfair Chase, Many Clouds must all be missing from the Seven Barrows racing calendar.
My point is purely that while HdB doesn’t seem concerned that Minella Indo could get beaten at Kempto, NH seems to constantly be looking for easy pickings. As a recent RSA winner it’d be nice to see him in the top 3m chases.
granger
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This race should always have an Irish flavour
A horse race rich in legacy, a few sub-par renewals of late. Reamains one of my favourite races
Also a race were a good to great middle distance chaser should be encouraged to take their chance
A horse race rich in legacy, a few sub-par renewals of late. Reamains one of my favourite races
Also a race were a good to great middle distance chaser should be encouraged to take their chance
archie
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In the last 40 years, there have been more French trained winners than Irish (and no middle distance chasers).
granger
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more reason for the race to need them so
Beef or Salmon
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None of which changes the fact that has become the greatest bullshitt*r in the game, bar none!
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Do we really have to go one by one through all the blatant lies he has told in the last 12 months?
Tanlic
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You need to take a long hard look at the media.
Phone rings: How is Shishkin Nicky
Nicky: So far so good
Have you entered him for the Tingle Creek?
Nicky yes and as things stand he'll go there.
A week or so later the horse works like a pig.
Nicky informs the press straight away and you and all the other haters on here call him a liar.
Add to that the horse scopes badly, backing up what he has said and he tells the media he is unlikely now for the Desert Orchid
In a matter of of a couple of weeks he has twice warned punters not to back him ante post for either race and you and the "we hate Nicky Henderson" Brigade ignore the facts
Logically speaking yer all aff yer heids
It seems to me you fail to remember you don't pay the bills for the likes of Shishkin which entitles you to nothing.
Do you honestly think Nicky Henderson spends his valuable time plotting ways to put the betting public away?
He's got more to do with his time and he has always spent time giving information out to the media whether it be in a blog or an interview.
Unsatisfied the minute something doesn't work out as he hoped he's a gangster,,Gimme a break ffs.
Seven Barrows isn't exactly known as a gambling yard.
Look at Cheltenham over the last couple of years. No way can you show me one horse that hadn't run on it's merits prior to Cheltneham and turned out to be a huge gamble.
Even JP"s Dame De Compagnie drifted before the off when winning the Coral Cup and had show good form beforehand and was a worthy fav..
It it pleases you to jump on the we hate Nicky henderson band wagon be my guest but personally I have huge respect for the man and a better understanding of what can go wrong with horses than it seems you will ever have.
I am not aiming this directly at you but to all of those who slag the man at every turn
Phone rings: How is Shishkin Nicky
Nicky: So far so good
Have you entered him for the Tingle Creek?
Nicky yes and as things stand he'll go there.
A week or so later the horse works like a pig.
Nicky informs the press straight away and you and all the other haters on here call him a liar.
Add to that the horse scopes badly, backing up what he has said and he tells the media he is unlikely now for the Desert Orchid
In a matter of of a couple of weeks he has twice warned punters not to back him ante post for either race and you and the "we hate Nicky Henderson" Brigade ignore the facts
Logically speaking yer all aff yer heids
It seems to me you fail to remember you don't pay the bills for the likes of Shishkin which entitles you to nothing.
Do you honestly think Nicky Henderson spends his valuable time plotting ways to put the betting public away?
He's got more to do with his time and he has always spent time giving information out to the media whether it be in a blog or an interview.
Unsatisfied the minute something doesn't work out as he hoped he's a gangster,,Gimme a break ffs.
Seven Barrows isn't exactly known as a gambling yard.
Look at Cheltenham over the last couple of years. No way can you show me one horse that hadn't run on it's merits prior to Cheltneham and turned out to be a huge gamble.
Even JP"s Dame De Compagnie drifted before the off when winning the Coral Cup and had show good form beforehand and was a worthy fav..
It it pleases you to jump on the we hate Nicky henderson band wagon be my guest but personally I have huge respect for the man and a better understanding of what can go wrong with horses than it seems you will ever have.
I am not aiming this directly at you but to all of those who slag the man at every turn
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As it was my fault this has seemingly turned into a Henderson slagging topic again I feel the need to repeat the reason for my comment.
I don’t want to slag him. Far from it, I have the upmost admiration for him and have rarely considered him to be attempting to put the betting public away (though I’ll ignore the Binocular episode for now) but, as this is a King George thread, his excuses for running Champ over hurdles at RH Ascot rather than in the King George a week later come across as weak and coming so soon after Shiskingate do nothing to allay fears that he doesn’t want to run his horses unless the conditions are absolutely perfect.
Some might say that is doing the right thing by his horses and it’s hard to argue against that, other than to say, if all trainers take the same approach then we are in for the continued run of small field, uncompetitive conditions races that are fast becoming the norm.
I don’t want to slag him. Far from it, I have the upmost admiration for him and have rarely considered him to be attempting to put the betting public away (though I’ll ignore the Binocular episode for now) but, as this is a King George thread, his excuses for running Champ over hurdles at RH Ascot rather than in the King George a week later come across as weak and coming so soon after Shiskingate do nothing to allay fears that he doesn’t want to run his horses unless the conditions are absolutely perfect.
Some might say that is doing the right thing by his horses and it’s hard to argue against that, other than to say, if all trainers take the same approach then we are in for the continued run of small field, uncompetitive conditions races that are fast becoming the norm.
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I think Henderson is a great and doesn't try to put punters away either.
The one thing about two of the horses subject to the cherry picking criticisms over the past few years is that Altior didn't make his last two festivals and champ was pulled up after 6 fences in the gold cup. If the cherry picking was a proven means to an end it would be seen as a necessary evil. But there has to be some argument that the approach isn't appropriate.
The one thing about two of the horses subject to the cherry picking criticisms over the past few years is that Altior didn't make his last two festivals and champ was pulled up after 6 fences in the gold cup. If the cherry picking was a proven means to an end it would be seen as a necessary evil. But there has to be some argument that the approach isn't appropriate.
Tanlic
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Nicky has about as much say where JP runs his horse as flying in the air. All he can do is suggest and it then is in the hands of Frank Berry and Jp where the horse will run.
As far as Binocular goes he was the first eample of that when Nicky begged Frank Berry to allow him to run in the Triumph but he refused point blank.
The reason being JP had one of his few antepost gambles on his other horse the alan king fav Franchoek who ended up being beaten by Celestial Halo.
As far as the Champion Hurdle withdrawl goes you have to be mentally unbalanced to think Nicky, Frank Berry and JP cooked up some plan to fool the racing public,
The horse was distraught and sent to a top Irish vet in Ireland not to Lourdes like some dickhead reporter suggested.
He was also treated by Mary Bromiley the worlds leading back specialist.
It was like he had gone to Lourdes when he bounced back but there were still nagging doubts and Frank Berry said they should keep stoom for as long as possible.
Of corse the media got stuck into Nicky as he was the fall guy and no matter what anyone says he was not to blame as he was following orders......but there you go try telling Grassy and his band of merry men the truth of the matter and you'll get don't listen to Fist he's a fu**wit:lol:
Anyway theres another thread where this belongs I apopolgies in advance for taking up this one off subject
As far as Binocular goes he was the first eample of that when Nicky begged Frank Berry to allow him to run in the Triumph but he refused point blank.
The reason being JP had one of his few antepost gambles on his other horse the alan king fav Franchoek who ended up being beaten by Celestial Halo.
As far as the Champion Hurdle withdrawl goes you have to be mentally unbalanced to think Nicky, Frank Berry and JP cooked up some plan to fool the racing public,
The horse was distraught and sent to a top Irish vet in Ireland not to Lourdes like some dickhead reporter suggested.
He was also treated by Mary Bromiley the worlds leading back specialist.
It was like he had gone to Lourdes when he bounced back but there were still nagging doubts and Frank Berry said they should keep stoom for as long as possible.
Of corse the media got stuck into Nicky as he was the fall guy and no matter what anyone says he was not to blame as he was following orders......but there you go try telling Grassy and his band of merry men the truth of the matter and you'll get don't listen to Fist he's a fu**wit:lol:
Anyway theres another thread where this belongs I apopolgies in advance for taking up this one off subject
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Grasshopper
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Some level of revisionism going on here.
Binocular didn't miss the Champion Hurdle because he was "distraught", as Fist claims. He missed the Champion Hurdle because a medicine had been used on him to treat a skin-allergy that would not clear sufficiently-early for him to pass a drug-test. This was widely-reported at the time, and should be easily verifiable.
Clearly, neither JP nor Frank Berry were in position to deploy said medicine. Were they in position to coerce Henderson (or his vet) to do so? Maybe, though it seems unlikely. The simple fact is that - for whatever reason - the timing of the application of the medicine was wrong, and that is something the trainer has to be held responsible for. There have never been any claims of a sinister motive behind what happened - only claims of clumsiness and/or incompetence.
This is the truth of the matter.
The above being the case, I recommend people don't listen to what Fist posts, because he's a fu*ckwit.
PS. For anyone interested in the detail, a review of Bincular's entry in the 2010/2011 Chasers & Hurdlers will fill in all of the blanks.
PPS. Just realised that Fist might have been talking about the year Binocular won the Champion Hurdle, after Henderson had told anyone who would listen a month before the race, that he had next to no chance of making it.......all of which I'm sure was completely above board.
Binocular didn't miss the Champion Hurdle because he was "distraught", as Fist claims. He missed the Champion Hurdle because a medicine had been used on him to treat a skin-allergy that would not clear sufficiently-early for him to pass a drug-test. This was widely-reported at the time, and should be easily verifiable.
Clearly, neither JP nor Frank Berry were in position to deploy said medicine. Were they in position to coerce Henderson (or his vet) to do so? Maybe, though it seems unlikely. The simple fact is that - for whatever reason - the timing of the application of the medicine was wrong, and that is something the trainer has to be held responsible for. There have never been any claims of a sinister motive behind what happened - only claims of clumsiness and/or incompetence.
This is the truth of the matter.
The above being the case, I recommend people don't listen to what Fist posts, because he's a fu*ckwit.
PS. For anyone interested in the detail, a review of Bincular's entry in the 2010/2011 Chasers & Hurdlers will fill in all of the blanks.
PPS. Just realised that Fist might have been talking about the year Binocular won the Champion Hurdle, after Henderson had told anyone who would listen a month before the race, that he had next to no chance of making it.......all of which I'm sure was completely above board.
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Tanlic
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Don't you dare start agreeing with me.....what you trying to do close the forum down.:lol:
Of course I was talking about the year he went to ireland and they had given up all hope. 999/1 he was and someone had 10 quid on....the rumour was it was you
Of course I was talking about the year he went to ireland and they had given up all hope. 999/1 he was and someone had 10 quid on....the rumour was it was you
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Grasshopper
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If I'd had £10 on at 1000, I'd hardly be having a go at Henderson, would I! :lol:
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Grasshopper
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Intended runner anyway - confirmed by Mullins this morning.
G-G
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Get on the M3 from the M25 and first exit from there is right on top of the course, couple of minutes driving if that far. Come off and go right round the roundabout back on yourself/back up on to M3, literally 250/300 yards is an exit , racecourse is on your left.
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G-G
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Cheers mate, we sort of had an idea that the J13/M3 route was the best way to go
We are setting out early, hoping that the volume of traffic on the M25 on Boxing day morning wont be too bad
Travelling back from Epsom on Oaks day this year was a nightmare
Welcome. If you want to be able to park on the 'concrete' will need to get there silly early as fills up fast and nowhere in nearby streets, and no trains obviously up the car population. I used to go but the sitting in the car for hours/Kempton facilities not up to much as in sitting inside in comfort without pint in hand etc not great - may have changed as a while since I have been - plus the limited space around the pre parade ring annoyed the preferable out of me. In a way would really like to be there for Frodon, but BBB may be at Wetherby so hoping I can face a 7 hour drive to go and see him as may be only chance this season.
Hope you have a great day.
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Welcome. If you want to be able to park on the 'concrete' will need to get there silly early as fills up fast and nowhere in nearby streets, and no trains obviously up the car population. I used to go but the sitting in the car for hours/Kempton facilities not up to much as in sitting inside in comfort without pint in hand etc not great - may have changed as a while since I have been - plus the limited space around the pre parade ring annoyed the preferable out of me. In a way would really like to be there for Frodon, but BBB may be at Wetherby so hoping I can face a 7 hour drive to go and see him as may be only chance this season.
Hope you have a great day.
Cheers
