Lockinge Stakes
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Frankel will improve for middle distances when he is taught how to race and Goldikova's best performances are in all liklihood behind her.
The difference between Canford and DT is a clear qualitative one. It is a hopeless argument to try to force DT into the same bracket. Those who wait for enough proof to stand up in a court of law are in danger of waiting until they are retired. The only proof you need is the evidence of your eyes. Look at the gears Canford has then look at the decent but workmanlike ability of the other one... There's your proof.
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I'm loving this 2 from 3 bollox..totally flawed grasping at straws argument.
talk about biased against a horse
when did DT beat CC twice?..it was at a time when CC wasn't the horse he is now..in May 2010 when DT showed just how much superior he was to CC..lol..CC wasn't the same animal that later met DT and beat him..and then later beat a better horse than DT..RVW..cosily
do some of you guys ever revise your biased opinions or are they stuck there forever?
get unloading on DT against CC..then come on and make all sorts of excuses when the money goes south
talk about biased against a horse
when did DT beat CC twice?..it was at a time when CC wasn't the horse he is now..in May 2010 when DT showed just how much superior he was to CC..lol..CC wasn't the same animal that later met DT and beat him..and then later beat a better horse than DT..RVW..cosily
do some of you guys ever revise your biased opinions or are they stuck there forever?
get unloading on DT against CC..then come on and make all sorts of excuses when the money goes south
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Canford probably isn't even clear third best in his division.
hilarious
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Hands up all those who have a bias against a four legged animal....anyone... anyone !
Seriously you could have left it at "bollox"
Seriously you could have left it at "bollox"
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that are history you mean
recent form far outways older form..the basics of horse improvement show you that
its like saying that a horse that beats STS as a 2yo is a better horse than him..coz its a fact
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there is lots of bias here Sheikh..do you read much here?
Steve falls in love with some of them:lol:
Hamm takes against one and never changes his mind for about 10 to 15 runs
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well ..dip your bread is all that can be said Hamm..best of luck with it
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You seem to be saying that DT is definately a better horse than CC..nowt about value
maybe i read it wrong..i can't fault you for backing DT each way
he isn't better than CC though..if using the 2/3 argument is the best shot
that is a really weak argument ..imo
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they must all be wrong Bar..DT has won 2 from 3..doesn't that make him best of them?
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how does coming 3rd to G make him better than CC
G is overrated by many on here simply because she is consistent
well..Best Mate was consistent.. but regularly gets run down on here for the samey type rating he got.
ROG was very consistenet but never showd himself exceptional..just as regular as clockwork
being consistent kids followers that the horse is "better" than his/her rating..when they aren't
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Is he though? I'm pretty sure DT will be in the first four, but maybe not the first three and at a fifth of the odds, and at the price he is, I see no value in him.
Dick Turpin looks physically, and on that little burst at Sandown, to have improved from 3 to 4. We don't know the same about Canford and he doesn't look the type and was also an early season 2yo. The hope with Dick is that he will be ridden to his strengths and not flogged from the front. He is a top, top class animal and whilst I wouldn't be suprised if Canford beat him, he has every chance himself. He is a lot better than some are giving credit for. We shall see!
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CC has been quite an up and downer for speed figure followers..his early mid season 2yo career marked him out as special..later not so good..start of 3yo career ..many ?..especially his first run
what makes me laugh a bit is how THAT form is SO important to people..the same people who thought RVW was going to tan him later in the season..then when CC cruised past "hero" RVW is was..oooh he was all out..was he heck..oooh RVW wasn't at his best..basically any excuse bar that CC put up an exceptional performance
so CC beats a great horse..but lets just concentrate on when he ran like an inexperienced nowter on his first run..and not much better 2nd 3yo run.
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wait a minute..DT is a very admirable horse..i'm not knocking him..i'm saying he isn't better than CC
Hannon says CC has also improved..is he telling porkies?
DT's first run reminds of Paco Boy's seasonal start one year..very nice win..against horses he should have beat
if CC had won same race..it would be..well he should have won like that
last year I was reading how G was a mid 130's horse on this forum..and yet CC was just a 127 horse...its just bias for the filly and being against a "forum kicking horse"
we don't actually know how good CC is..because since he developed into what he is now..there is nowt pushed him to find out where empty is.
His last 3 runs have been excellent...nothing like his first two runs as a 3yo..but those two runs are what are highlighted..a very strange way of reading form imo
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I'd agree. The sort of effortless class that he showed against RVW you can't buy. When you see it you know it. It's the benchmark the others need to live up to, but it's sackcloth up against silk.
We know how good DT is. Canford is already superior and we've just glimpsed at how good he might be.
We know how good DT is. Canford is already superior and we've just glimpsed at how good he might be.
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'Hannon said...' I couldn't care less what he said, and I were one who did take trainers on their word, he would be one of the last I'd rely on. An eternal optimist.
'We don't know how good CC is'. Exactly. I stated in earlier posts what we do know. We can guess how good either of them are but one should not be 8 times the prices of another.
Bon soiree.
'Hannon said...' I couldn't care less what he said, and I were one who did take trainers on their word, he would be one of the last I'd rely on. An eternal optimist.
'We don't know how good CC is'. Exactly. I stated in earlier posts what we do know. We can guess how good either of them are but one should not be 8 times the prices of another.
Bon soiree.
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you can watch that race many times..and its clear that CC isn't at full stretch..he stops bothering on him in the last 10 yards..and yet i read on here at the time that he was "all out":blink:
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the problem is Hamm..you have a very "on paper" black and white view of form..you don't belive what you see as well
same with the guineas..you just see 6 lengths..races involve many ways of horses getting from A to B..if a horse does it in an unreal way..its clear that when doing it in a more traditional way he is going to do it with a better final time..and better winning authority.
like i said..if you want to back DT to beat CC..thats your buisness..but we weren't talking about place betting to start with.
again..trainers get quoted on here like what they say is gospel..first time i do it..oooh he's a dreamer..you making me laugh you know
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whereas your form quotes are more recent?
i never said really recent..they are totally different pieces of form to his first runs last year
if you can't see the difference between the first 2 and last 3..i'd try specsavers
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Dick Turpin's 3rd to Goldikova is much more recent than Canford's Sussex and that is top class Group One form.