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Mikael D’Haguenet 5/4
Jessies Dream 5/1
Noble Prince 5/1
Realt Dubh 5/1
Mikael D’Haguenet 5/4
Jessies Dream 5/1
Noble Prince 5/1
Realt Dubh 5/1
I love how people hype the Mullins horses ... MdH looked awful at that pre-Cheltenham run around last season and you'd want to be on drugs to think he could win this in his first chase start. And, I remember plenty of positive bulletins on how well he jumped prior to that.
Awful in relative terms GH - as in nowhere near a grade 1 winner.
That and the sheer hype are the reasons I think he's the worst even money shot I've seen in some time.
I agree he doesn't look a horse who will improve for going chasing.
We have very different views on novice chasing - a hurdle record is a guide, not a guarantee for a novice chaser and his prospects.
He jumped awful relative to what a grade 1 novice chaser should be capable of - other novices seemed much much better that day.
Hype is factoring in reports into a price (when we have evidence of his jumping to the contrary which came after similar reports) and getting carried away with the horse's prospects to the extent people are and have been talking about him as a future gold cup winner and he hadn't even won a chase! If that is not hype for you, I don't know what is..
GH,
When exactly did I suggest that? All I said was he looked awful to me relative to what a grade 1 chaser would look like - sports line impressed for example.
High-class hurdlers going novice chasing, and starting at short odds are routine, and are routinely backed (look no further than Celestial Halo for an example). Is your assertion that such types should never be backed, or that this particular type should never be backed? Either way, with no real argument against him other than your distaste for the way he went in a race-course gallop (during which he was never going to be asked any kind of questions) your ranting smacks of some personal grudge against the horse, rather than a rationale assessment. Maybe that isn't the case, but that's the way it comes across.He has never even run in a chase in Ireland so can can anyone have any 'evidence' for making him a bet in a hot looking grade 1 chase?
But hey, maybe listening to the trainer is the way to go?
5/2 still short. Noble prince should be a better
Horse come season end in my opinion. As for laying him at a price, I don't know - all I know is I wouldn't back him at any price he is likely to be.
High-class hurdlers going novice chasing, and starting at short odds are routine, and are routinely backed (look no further than Celestial Halo for an example). Is your assertion that such types should never be backed, or that this particular type should never be backed? Either way, with no real argument against him other than your distaste for the way he went in a race-course gallop (during which he was never going to be asked any kind of questions) your ranting smacks of some personal grudge against the horse, rather than a rationale assessment. Maybe that isn't the case, but that's the way it comes across.
Finian's Rainbow vs. Sang Bleu and Hell's Bay today and also Tell Massini vs. Aiteen Thirtythree and Be There In Five.
Both look interesting races though think Finian's Rainbow is underpriced on what he's done so far and will be taking him on with the ex-French horse who I know they rate exceptionally highly at home.
Tell Massini looks the best in the other novices race with Aiteen Thirtythree striking me as a real 3 1/2m+ stayer the last day (he took a step up to 3m 2f for him to win over hurdles) and it's hard to see why the latter is shorter in places than Be There In Five who beat him comfortably over hurdles at this course late last season.
Exciting day all in all - good luck to anyone playing
Martin
Again, please stop putting words in my mouth to try to continue this debate and make yourself sound faintly credible.
A personal grudge against a horse - good one.
I never said hurdlers should never be backed going chasing, but said this one shouldn't in a Grade 1 at 5/4.
You are making yourself look more than a little silly.
FR is the novice I was most excited about coming into the new season