Novice Hurdlers 2012-13

The quote does add weight IMO. I am not going to ignore an endorsement of that nature from such a stable and such a trainer. Doesnt mean I will back him necessarily but how anyone can dismiss him as having no chance is beyond me
 
clivex said:
The quote does add weight IMO. I am not going to ignore an endorsement of that nature from such a stable and such a trainer. Doesnt mean I will back him necessarily but how anyone can dismiss him as having no chance is beyond me
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Depends on the trainer that says it. You'd be a long time on Google trying to find a negative Paul Nicholls quote. He hypes his horses more than most.
 
Perpetual said:
What's the reason?
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From the Sporting Life:

McCain said: "I've taken him out now so we are not tempted to run. It was a smashing performance at the weekend, but he's still only five and we want to take our time with him. We may go to Aintree, I'm not sure yet, but he'll be an even better chaser."
 
On the Bridle,

So you are hesitant to side with Hughes' Triumph dreams when they are encapsulated by a wide-margin unbeaten Group 1 winner.

Whereas when the dreams are represented by an unraced (over hurdles) hype machine, you are perfectly happy to wade in.

I understand.
 
Leaving aside the rejoicing over saved 20/1 ante-post vouchers.

Henderson has today effectively removed the second favourite from the Champion Hurdle leaving JP represented by no hoper Binocular and at least one high profile loser in the Supreme. Would JP strike a bet now that My Tent Or Yours will go off favourite for next year's Champion Hurdle because that is what you would need to be looking at if he is perceived to have a better chance than this year.

Add to that no hoper River Maigue has been confirmed for the Supreme, presumably at the expense of Chatterbox who actually looked a potential threat to the market leaders.

A great days work.
 
The Nicholls quote is from Chris Cook's article in yesterday's Observer and is not shown in its full context. What Cook wrote was the following:

"Nicholls has enormous faith in Zarkandar, whose dogged approach may earn few style points but has proved highly effective. "I smiled to myself the last day he won, when there was all the excuses for the other two [Grandouet and Rock On Ruby], it was the ground and all that, but he just pricks his ears and keeps on doing it.
"He works every day with Far West and, if you saw them, you'd think that Far West was a nailed-on certainty for the Triumph. He does all that he wants to do but we know that and just let him enjoy himself."


My interpretation is that he was basically discussing Zarkandar and making the point that he doesn't burn up the gallops at home.
 
The Nicholls quote does add weight.......though only if you ignore the fact that Walsh has waltzed straight past Zarkandar towards Hurricane Fly - without even having to think about it.

Slim's point is well made re Nicholls. He is rarely pessimistic about his horses, and often positively talks them up. No bad thing you might think, considering the number of winners be bangs-in every season. However, for every accurate nugget uttered by him over the years, there has been - more or less - just as many confusing/contradictory post-race excuses/back-tracking, on offer. *

What Nicholls says or doesn't say is up to him. But taking it face-value in every case - as if he is an erstwhile 'Punters Pal' - is a dangerous business, imo.

* If anyone has stats which either back this up, or repediate the assertion, they should be f*cking ashamed of themselves
 
If he says they are fit and ready they usually are. That's when to listen; he knows how to get a horse fit.
 
Bar the Bull said:
On the Bridle,

So you are hesitant to side with Hughes' Triumph dreams when they are encapsulated by a wide-margin unbeaten Group 1 winner.

Whereas when the dreams are represented by an unraced (over hurdles) hype machine, you are perfectly happy to wade in.

I understand.
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Mr Bull,

You have chosen to see my post as being hesitant....I am almost over the Minsk thing. I would prefer if it is never spoken of again.....although he would have a right chance in the Coral Cup off a light weight.......
 
as he seems to prefer going right handed perhaps a handicap at fairyhouse or punchestown may be more tempting for the owner
 
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Minsk has been badly overfaced over hurdles from day one. I think his win in the Irish Cesarewitch went to their heads. Funny enough the 2nd that day has also gone hurdling and he too seems to make a habit of losing I couldn't see him winning the Coral Cup or any other cup at Cheltenham he's just not good enough.
 
Watching Forgotten Voice glide home today on good ground was hard to watch after Henderson pulled him from the Supreme. I'd backed him at fancy prices and always thought he would be dangerous when he got his ground. Plenty left in the tank today. One to follow, particularly on flat tracks if he settles a little better.
 
I think his jumping was the most impressive aspect - you wouldn't expect much better from a Champion Hurdle horse. Does he definitely miss Cheltenaham - initially tried to get on with Paddy Power but missed the 33/1 and then the 20/1.
 
treetangle said:
I think his jumping was the most impressive aspect - you wouldn't expect much better from a Champion Hurdle horse. Does he definitely miss Cheltenaham - initially tried to get on with Paddy Power but missed the 33/1 and then the 20/1.
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He was taken out of the Supreme, which is what I was talking about but he's in the county, although Henderson said he's more likely to go to Aintree.
 
Key was he settled. I was there today and stepped back from backing him and after a a couple of hurdles I thought oh fck
 
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